ITT we guess what JOHNs stats would have been vs Clemson/ LSU

[Denim Vest]

For reference here's Stidham:

Passing: 22/50 244 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 24 carries -31 yds (16 sacks?)
record: 0-2

JOHN:
Passing: 18/30 220 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 30 carries 175 yds 3 TDs ( maybe 5 sacks)
record: 2-0

 

[Van Gorstache]

For reference here's Stidham:

Passing: 22/50 244 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 24 carries -31 yds (16 sacks?)
record: 0-2

MALIK:
Passing: 18/30 220 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 30 carries 375 yds 5 TDs ( maybe 5 sacks)
record: 2-0

FIFY

 

[ThrustMaxwell]

13-30, 250 yards, 4 TD
3O rushes, 180 yards, 4 TD

 

[Denim Vest]

13-30, 250 yards, 4 TD
3O rushes, 180 yards, 4 TD

This actually looks more realistic. Could have easily hit Bill on that wide open route. Add a few more 60 yd bombs to NCM in single coverage. Probably have both games sewn up by the 4th Q. LSU by half for sure would have had 40 by then.

 

[MomentInTheSun]

Honestly would rather of had Malick Willis start the clemson game than John. Both though would have put up better numbers than Jarrett though

 

[Denim Vest]

Honestly would rather of had Malick Willis start the clemson game than John. Both though would have put up better numbers than Jarrett though

Yeah that would work. Of course I’m envisioning a John that was the starter all last season and not the one that was sabotaged by Gus.

 

[cookedw]

For reference here's Stidham:

Passing: 22/50 244 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 24 carries -31 yds (16 sacks?)
record: 0-2

JOHN:
Passing: 18/30 220 yds 1TD 0 INT
Rushing: 30 carries 175 yds 3 TDs ( maybe 5 sacks)
record: 2-0

Passing: 9/27 0 TDs 5 INTs
Rushing: 27 carries for 19 yards 0 TDs
Record: 0-2

 

[Denim Vest]

Passing: 9/27 0 TDs 5 INTs
Rushing: 27 carries for 19 yards 0 TDs
Record: 0-2

Well we have our first definitively wrong answer. Thanks for participating cookie.

 

[cookedw]

Well we have our first definitively wrong answer. Thanks for participating cookie.

Mine is probably the most accurate. John was doo doo at QB.

 

[MomentInTheSun]

Well, he never threw one interception in his time at AU so not sure where Cook is getting 5 ints from. He did however throw a beautiful TD, so people predicting those would be more correct. He also averaged 9 ypc. He wasn’t doo doo at all. I think he was too fragile though

 

[Denim Vest]

Mine is probably the most accurate. John was doo doo at QB.

well the experts disagree with you. No reason to rehash all the particulars but rest assured you are wrong.

 

[Denim Vest]

Well, he never threw one interception in his time at AU so not sure where Cook is getting 5 ints from. He did however throw a beautiful TD, so people predicting those would be more correct. He also averaged 9 ypc. He wasn’t doo doo at all. I think he was too fragile though

Exactly. Stidham is a turnover machine by comparison. JF3 threw some absolutely gorgeous deep balls in his limited time. On par or better than anything we've seen from Stid. Sure he'd miss a few of those intermediate passes that we don't even have that Stidham might hit in theory. Otherwise he's infinitely better suited for the Gus offense circa 2013/14.

 

[cookedw]

Well, he never threw one interception in his time at AU so not sure where Cook is getting 5 ints from. He did however throw a beautiful TD, so people predicting those would be more correct. He also averaged 9 ypc. He wasn’t doo doo at all. I think he was too fragile though

Because he was a terrible QB. He did kill it against La Monroe, though.

 

[Denim Vest]

Because he was a terrible QB. He did kill it against La Monroe, though.

So was Nick Marshall. Dude had to train as a DB for the draft. Unbelievable these things need to be explained. Gus doesn't know what to do with a QB. Needs an electrifying athlete that can launch it downfield. The position shouldn't even be called QB in his system.

 

[cookedw]

So was Nick Marshall. Dude had to train as a DB for the draft. Unbelievable these things need to be explained. Gus doesn't know what to do with a QB. Needs an electrifying athlete that can launch it downfield. The position shouldn't even be called QB in his system.

JFIII couldn't hold Nick Marshall jock strap when it comes to being the "snap taker" at Auburn.

 

[Denim Vest]

JFIII couldn't hold Nick Marshall jock strap when it comes to being the "snap taker" at Auburn.

Meh. He could have been close enough. Particularly paired with a legitimate defense. Run the read, launch it downfield a little bit. Just like Nick. Simple.

 

[MomentInTheSun]

John didn’t have the elusiveness or durability that nm14 had, but he would have been a way better option than Sean. He would have won the A&M and UGA games last year for sure

 

[cookedw]

Meh. He could have been close enough. Particularly paired with a legitimate defense. Run the read, launch it downfield a little bit. Just like Nick. Simple.

Negative. Nowhere close to NM14

 

[Denim Vest]

Yeah he probably gets dinged up some point but so did Nick. I’m not saying he’s a clone but had all the tools to make the Gus O work. He showed flashes of brilliance even against Clem, Bama, Ok last year.

Not as tough or elusive a runner as Nick but he was also faster. Similar cannon arm. He’s infinitely more intelligent than Nick if that makes any difference.

 

[Fillup Marschell]

Can we discuss other QB stats here? I have some info I want to talk but don't wanna start a new thread or derail yours Denim.

 

[Denim Vest]

JFIII couldn't hold Nick Marshall jock strap when it comes to being the "snap taker" at Auburn.

Yes you continue to say that but offer no supporting commentary. He wasn't a great QB. Heck of an athlete though. If not for the gift from God against UGA and K6 I think we could have a more honest conversation.

 

[cookedw]

Yeah he probably gets dinged up some point but so did Nick. I’m not saying he’s a clone but had all the tools to make the Gus O work. He showed flashes of brilliance even against Clem, Bama, Ok last year.

Not as tough or elusive a runner as Nick but he was also faster. Similar cannon arm. He’s infinitely more intelligent than Nick if that makes any difference.

HE was:

Clemson: 1 of 1 for -3 yards; 0 carries for 0 yards
Bama: 2 of 4 for 85 yards; 3 carries for 14 yards
Oklahoma: 3 of 7 for 25 yards; 5 carries for 16 yards

He did throw one good pass against Bama, though.

 

[Denim Vest]

Can we discuss other QB stats here? I have some info I want to talk but don't wanna start a new thread or derail yours Denim.

Not sure what you have in mind but fine by me.

 

[cookedw]

Yes you continue to say that but offer no supporting commentary. He wasn't a great QB. Heck of an athlete though. If not for the gift from God against UGA and K6 I think we could have a more honest conversation.

He wasn't the athlete Nick was. Faster on straight lien speed, but that's it. Wasn't going to shake anybody or slip through cracks like Nick.

He was also a big sissy on the field. Even admitted that when discussing PR. He did not want to get hit.

 

[Denim Vest]

Bama: 2 of 4 for 85 yards; 3 carries for 14 yards

impressive. Thanks for looking that up. Opened up gaping holes for our RBs as well just like NICK. Shame Gus completely lost his mind.

 

[Denim Vest]

He was also a big sissy on the field. Even admitted that when discussing PR. He did not want to get hit.

This means nothing. You watched that Netflix show didn't you.

 

[MomentInTheSun]

I don’t think John was a pussy. He didn’t want to return punts, but that goes for a lot of kids. He was actually delivering blows in his one start against Vandy

 

[Denim Vest]

I don’t think John was a pussy. He didn’t want to return punts, but that goes for a lot of kids. He was actually delivering blows in his one start against Vandy

Yeah what kind of insane child wants to do PRs? My God that hit Roberts took against Ole Miss kid could have died. His honesty on the topic was refreshing.

 

[Fillup Marschell]

Not sure what you have in mind but fine by me.

This conversation about John had me thinking. Right now if the rest of the year plays out like the first 7 games, then Stidham and Etling are going to have similar seasons. Not much really seperates them at the moment. Just a little better completion percentage, a little more yardage one more passing TD and one more rushing TD.

I just do not see how anyone could argue that they should be in the same ball park when you take into account skillsets. If this is true, how can anyone believe that John or some other athletic youngun could not do better in this system?

Hurts has 500 less passing yards same number of passing TDs 8 as Stidham and 1 interception. But he has 500 more rushing yards and 5 more rushing TDs than Stidham all while playing far less minutes. The teams are not apples to apples and I get that but the concept should ring true. Why we took Stidham to make him run this abortion of a mismatch offense, I do not know.

 

[Denim Vest]

This conversation about John had me thinking. Right now if the rest of the year plays out like the first 7 games, then Stidham and Etling are going to have similar seasons. Not much really seperates them at the moment. Just a little better completion percentage, a little more yardage one more passing TD and one more rushing TD.

I just do not see how anyone could argue that they should be in the same ball park when you take into account skillsets. If this is true, how can anyone believe that John or some other athletic youngun could not do better in this system?

Hurts has 500 less passing yards same number of passing TDs 8 as Stidham and 1 interception. But he has 500 more rushing yards and 5 more rushing TDs than Stidham all while playing far less minutes. The teams are not apples to apples and I get that but the concept should ring true. Why we took Stidham to make him run this abortion of a mismatch offense, I do not know.

Yeah it's been a complete failure as many of us knew it would be. Kid shows flashes and probably still has a career in the NFL ahead of him but our offensive brain trust simply has no idea how to develop a QB or call a ball game.

 

[Tartt]

Yeah it's been a complete failure as many of us knew it would be. Kid shows flashes and probably still has a career in the NFL ahead of him but our offensive brain trust simply has no idea how to develop a QB or call a ball game.

Not to mention his WRs have not helped him much at all. At least two dropped TD passes with countless others dropped as well.

And of course no plays to get the ball to NCM other than the bomb TD against Mizzou. That worked well, let's not do it again.

 

[Fillup Marschell]

Not to mention his WRs have not helped him much at all. At least two dropped TD passes with countless others dropped as well.

I thought about this but all teams have drops. Most times though an OC or offensive minded head coach does not keep calling passes to the kid with the cold hands. Especially when NCM could get those targets but our fine coaching staff just keeps doing the same thing hoping for different results.

 

[Tartt]

I thought about this but all teams have drops. Most times though an OC or offensive minded head coach does not keep calling passes to the kid with the cold hands. Especially when NCM could get those targets but our fine coaching staff just keeps doing the same thing hoping for different results.

Drops happen, sure but we've had the dropsies for years. This past Saturday was awful, one of the worst by a WR unit i've seen, at least since Ricardo decided he didn't want to beat Arky in '15.

But you are right in that we continue to give the same offenders chance after chance.