OT: Herb Hand to Texas
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I don’t think he was gonna be fired but I do think he was told to look around, and good for him for finding a good landing spot.
My theory is Chip told Gus to make a choice between him or Herb. All that mess about about Chip and Herb being in the booth or on the field kind of reeked of a power struggle.
My theory is Chip told Gus to make a choice between him or Herb. All that mess about about Chip and Herb being in the booth or on the field kind of reeked of a power struggle.
I have a very hard time believing Gus Malzahn would force a position coach to play a less-skilled upperclassmen over a probably more talented youngster.
That just hasn't ever been the M.O. of a genius corching mind like Gus Malzahn, who owns a Birmingham Bowl victory over powerhouse Memphis.
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Ummmm that would be MEMPHIS STATE GET IT RIGHT OR PAY THE PRICE
Curious to see who wants to work with GusCo.
1. Could it end up being the largest guaranteed OL coaching contract in ncaaf history to get someone here?
2. Will a hire be made before signing day?
3. Does this kill any chance for a Grad transfer?
4. What are the chances this move was forced and Gus had 0 power to stop it?
5. Why on earth would Texas want Coach Worm?
I’ll hang up and Greg On.
1. Could it end up being the largest guaranteed OL coaching contract in ncaaf history to get someone here?
2. Will a hire be made before signing day?
3. Does this kill any chance for a Grad transfer?
4. What are the chances this move was forced and Gus had 0 power to stop it?
5. Why on earth would Texas want Coach Worm?
I’ll hang up and Greg On.
I'm sure Gus has a skilled coach and recruiter lined up to take his place.....
Now that Gus is guaranteed another 4 years and is rumored to have a bigger budget for his assistants, I imagine that a lot of coaches would be interested. I’m gonna guess he gets an upgrade but I have no idea why Tom Herman wants anything to do with Coach Worm
Apparently someone attributed Marshmellow as saying Stacy Searels could be in the mix. Crazy if true.
I had heard a couple different times during the season that Chip, Herb, Horton, and Porter would all look for opportunities to leave if they could find one. This was right after the LSU game. Those assistants were just fed up with how Gus was operating from what I was told, and they didn’t think there was any hope for him to change.
Yeah now Gus can hire whoever TF he wants with literally no repercussions.
1 - Wouldn't shock me, would be more to do with the fact that contracts are escalating at absurd rates anyway and everyone knows AU will pay top dollar so why hold out for anything less.
2 - Probably
3 - Depends on who we hire I guess
4 - about zero
5 - For whatever reason, people who are not the current fans of the team Hand is on think Hand is great. I think because he's funny social media guy who will give good quotes. When you aren't watching his actual performance you can convince yourself he's good it seems.
His biggest leverage now is keeping whoever he wants that is on staff for as long as their contract is up to date. He needs someone else to sign off on new hires though. They have to agree to payment terms with someone other than Gus so he can run into walls there if AU wanted to play it that way.
Chip was about ready to fight Gus after Clemson
I was thinking along the lines that Herb’s Contract was up and Gus couldn’t get it renewed.
Possible I guess. Not sure Hand was to the point of having the boosters block him yet though. My guess is this became a Chip or Herb thing. And Herb wasn't going to win that battle. We likely got fortunate someone as large at Texas entered the picture.
I've always wondered what Chip was told when he took the job. Clearly he was brought in to add to what Gus does and not run his own offense, would love to know what he was told.
I assume that Gus lied to both of them about what their roles would be and how much influence they would have on game planning and play calls.
solid assumption
He wouldn't be the first HC to do this, but he seems to take it to extremes that most do not.
Rice...he was the biggest defender of herb but now acts like he's excited. If he says "swing and a miss" with his condescension after how often he's wrong..ugh.
I wonder if Gus will go after a top tier recruiter or if he's satisfied continuing to mismanage one of the most important units on the team?
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Here's a lot of money and a big stage and your current coach (ASU) is probably going to be fired too and you're not even really that qualified for this position so make the best of what you can.
I think he was told that he’d have full control of the offense. It’s what Gus said at Chip’s hiring press conference and it’s what he continued to repeat all the time during the season.
I don't think you hire someone and say, "hey man, I'm gonna tell the media that you have full control of the O, but the reality is that you don't. You cool with that?" I think the question is, was Gus being honest when he promised Chip full control of the offense? I kind of think he fully intended to keep that promise but he just can't help himself under pressure and always reverts back to form.
That.
And when the head coach spends the whole offseason telling everyone who will listen that Chip is calling the plays, and then the head coach calls every play against Clemson and looks like garbage, I would be a little upset since my reputation was on the line.
I'm not entirely buying it. I think there is a difference between "I am letting you call plays" and "I am giving you full control of the offense." Gus doesn't want to change offenses, which is why I think he wanted to hire Chip all along. My understanding is that Chip had playcalling duty the entire year, but Gus limited early on how much he could put in. I do think by the end of the year Chip had full control.
Sounds like the name jhead put out there is a very good recruiter. The OL coach from Memphis was named the AAC recruiter of the year.
We must have drained the well at ASU taking Jodi and Chip.
Oh dear, please let Marcello's sources be terrible.
Saying looking more and more like JB Grimes coming back
Saying looking more and more like JB Grimes coming back
There can be no way Gus is that dumb. No way.
Boogs might get what they deserve, hah.
Most reasonable fans don’t unless you thought it was okay to give Gus a gargantuan 7 year deal after one above average year. In that case you deserve the shit out of it.
Give a man a $50 million contract, most of it guaranteed, and he just starts doing whatever he wants.
Part of me respects it.
The larger part of me hates it.
Part of me respects it.
The larger part of me hates it.
Fully expect Rhett back with a huge pay raise the minute Chip bolts...
Have you not been on the Bunker in the last 2-3 years?
Many Creedily deranged lunatics remain that must be purged of their incompetence.
Would be a great hire for my golf game.
Maybe we can bring back Ellis Johnson to replace Greg Brown
