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Starting Tanner Burns tomorrow night. Mize will throw on Friday, and we haven’t announced a starter for Sunday yet.

This is D1Baseball’s take on our chances to host.

“Finally, a pair of top 18 RPI teams in the SEC could still snag a host spot if they can finish strong. Auburn and Kentucky have the same problem right now: they’re both just 13-14 in the SEC. Auburn (No. 12) is stronger in the RPI than UK (No. 17), but the Wildcats are 15-12 against the top 50 and have won three marquee series against top-12 RPI teams (vs. Texas Tech, vs. Auburn, at Georgia). Obviously the top end of that resumé is impressive, but Kentucky’s case is undermined by its series losses to Alabama and Tennessee, the two lowest-RPI teams in the SEC. Still, if Kentucky can sweep its final series at Vanderbilt to finish 16-14 in the SEC, it should host. If it takes two of three to get to 15-15, it will have a shot, provided it can win some games in the conference tournament (because teams that don’t finish with winning records in their conference never host unless they can make serious noise in the conference tourney). Likewise, Auburn needs to sweep LSU at home to feel good about its chances, but taking two of three should give it at least a shot. But if both teams finish with the same SEC record, we’d give Kentucky a slight edge based on its head-to-head series win and its better high-end series wins.”
 
I can't believe he's bringing Burns back on 4 days. I would've lost a lot of money if I could've bet on that.
 
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wcw3au1 said:
I can't believe he's bringing Burns back on 4 days. I would've lost a lot of money if I could've bet on that.
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Yeah I agree. It’s a pretty dumb move, although not very surprising. I have a bad feeling about this weekend as well as the long term ramifications of overusing Tanner so much this early in his career..
 
wcw3au1 said:
I can't believe he's bringing Burns back on 4 days. I would've lost a lot of money if I could've bet on that.
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Burns threw 40 pitches in 1.2 IP. It makes sense, although I am a little surprised that’s the decision they made. I do like putting him out in game one over Daniel or Mitchell. With Burns, you feel like you have a little better idea of what you’re going to get from him.
 
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Burns threw 40 pitches in 1.2 IP. It makes sense, although I am a little surprised that’s the decision they made. I do like putting him out in game one over Daniel or Mitchell. With Burns, you feel like you have a little better idea of what you’re going to get from him.
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WDE_Tarp said:
40 pitches is a light bullpen. Not surprised at all.
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It’s not about the number of pitches. It’s about the between start routines. If this was a good idea, everytime a quality pitcher had a short outing they’d come back on short rest. That’s just not how it works. Why do something for the first time all year in arguably the biggest game of the season? Who wants Burns on 4 days rest when you could start Mize on 5 days and give him an extra day before the tourneys start? Maybe it works but I don’t like it at all.
 
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It’s not about the number of pitches. It’s about the between start routines. If this was a good idea, everytime a quality pitcher had a short outing they’d come back on short rest. That’s just not how it works. Why do something for the first time all year in arguably the biggest game of the season? Who wants Burns on 4 days rest when you could start Mize on 5 days and give him an extra day before the tourneys start? Maybe it works but I don’t like it at all.
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If Mize isn’t an option to start tonight, would you choose Burns or Daniel? That’s the way the coaches have approached it.
 
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If Mize isn’t an option to start tonight, would you choose Burns or Daniel? That’s the way the coaches have approached it.
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Obviously that’s how they are approaching it, but I happen to think it’s the wrong move. I’d start Daniel given those two choices. Burns hasn’t started on 4 days all season. I’m not experimenting with that in a must win type game. If he goes 1 2/3 again, the bullpen and team are in trouble. I hope it works regardless. We need two wins somehow.

Just FTR, if you could choose between Burns on 6 days or Daniel on 8 days who would you choose? I’d take Burns on a normal routine there for sure.
 
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Obviously that’s how they are approaching it, but I happen to think it’s the wrong move. I’d start Daniel given those two choices. Burns hasn’t started on 4 days all season. I’m not experimenting with that in a must win type game. If he goes 1 2/3 again, the bullpen and team are in trouble. I hope it works regardless. We need two wins somehow.

Just FTR, if you could choose between Burns on 6 days or Daniel on 8 days who would you choose? I’d take Burns on a normal routine there for sure.
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Burns also hasn't had an outing that short all season either. You could make the same argument about the bullpen with Daniel, and the season has shown that it's more likely he'd have a short outing than Tanner.

I agree it's not ideal to start Burns here, but given his previous really short outing, I don't think the four days rest is a huge deal. I do completely agree about the preparation and routine part being changed and that possibly being an issue. At the end of the day, if the coaches think Tanner is just as fresh as Davis, I think Tanner is the better option because I think he gives the best chance to be competitive.
 
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It’s not about the number of pitches. It’s about the between start routines. If this was a good idea, everytime a quality pitcher had a short outing they’d come back on short rest. That’s just not how it works. Why do something for the first time all year in arguably the biggest game of the season? Who wants Burns on 4 days rest when you could start Mize on 5 days and give him an extra day before the tourneys start? Maybe it works but I don’t like it at all.
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It 100% is about pitches. The reason I made the comparison to a light bullpen is that you throw a bullpen prior to the start. Most teams at this level do it two days before a start. If you don't throw enough to need the full week of running/rest/throwing etc... then you're good to go. It's why relief pitchers can sometimes throw consecutive days or sometimes throw with only a day rest. It's 100% about how much stress you put on your arm and what amount of recovery is needed for that action. People absolutely occasionally start pitchers on short rest when they have a short outing, the only reason it doesn't happen every time is so you don't mess up the other pitchers rotation. Since we don't have a true quality 3rd starter, that isn't a problem.
 
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It 100% is about pitches. The reason I made the comparison to a light bullpen is that you throw a bullpen prior to the start. Most teams at this level do it two days before a start. If you don't throw enough to need the full week of running/rest/throwing etc... then you're good to go. It's why relief pitchers can sometimes throw consecutive days or sometimes throw with only a day rest. It's 100% about how much stress you put on your arm and what amount of recovery is needed for that action. People absolutely occasionally start pitchers on short rest when they have a short outing, the only reason it doesn't happen every time is so you don't mess up the other pitchers rotation. Since we don't have a true quality 3rd starter, that isn't a problem.
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I disagree with some things you said but I’m not trying to change your mind, I just don’t care for the decision. He could start Sat on regular rest against their #3 l(unless they’ve decided to change their season long routines also). That’s a better strategy IMO, even if they mix up their rotation.

Do you happen to remember the last time AU started a starting pitcher on 4 days rest during the regular season? I’ve paid pretty close attention since the 2012 season and I don’t remember one.
 
wcw3au1 said:
I disagree with some things you said but I’m not trying to change your mind, I just don’t care for the decision. He could start Sat on regular rest against their #3 l(unless they’ve decided to change their season long routines also). That’s a better strategy IMO, even if they mix up their rotation.

Do you happen to remember the last time AU started a starting pitcher on 4 days rest during the regular season? I’ve paid pretty close attention since the 2012 season and I don’t remember one.
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Glad you’re finally starting to see Butch for what he is
 
wcw3au1 said:
I disagree with some things you said but I’m not trying to change your mind, I just don’t care for the decision. He could start Sat on regular rest against their #3 l(unless they’ve decided to change their season long routines also). That’s a better strategy IMO, even if they mix up their rotation.

Do you happen to remember the last time AU started a starting pitcher on 4 days rest during the regular season? I’ve paid pretty close attention since the 2012 season and I don’t remember one.
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Keegan started on 4 days last year in the SECT, but it was a controlled start where he was on like a 40-50 pitch count. I think he went 3 innings.

Sunny also did it with Keegan in his second start of 2015. Went 4.0 IP in his first start on a Friday and then threw 5.1 IP 3 days later in a Tuesday against South Alabama.
 
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DufnerFanBoy said:
Keegan started on 4 days last year in the SECT, but it was a controlled start where he was on like a 40-50 pitch count. I think he went 3 innings.

Sunny also did it with Keegan in his second start of 2015. Went 4.0 IP in his first start on a Friday and then threw 5.1 IP 3 days later in a Tuesday against South Alabama.
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I knew it happened in the post season. Didn’t remember the regular season stuff.
 
wcw3au1 said:
I knew it happened in the post season. Didn’t remember the regular season stuff.
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I don’t remember it happening very often. I just remember the 2015 season because Sunny got Keegan on the midweek games early in the season to face some of our tougher teams and Bama that year.

And I think this is a unique situation. One, it’s an important game. Two, Burns didn’t throw much in his last start. And three, he supposedly had a great bullpen yesterday and is available to fully go with no pitch count or limitations.
 
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Slippin Jimmy said:
......Although your pride will never let you admit that first part and that’s okay.
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Why would you say that? I have an opinion and if he proves me wrong I will gladly admit it. I was wrong about SG. I thought he’d be great. I was wrong, He was a horrible fit. I still say that SG was a hell of a good coach. His record elsewhere proves that IMO. You just have a clouded memory. A Dustin Johnson post I made took you away from reality, where I was concerned, regarding AU baseball coaches of all things. Weird.
 
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Why would you say that? I have an opinion and if he proves me wrong I will gladly admit it. I was wrong about SG. I thought he’d be great. I was wrong, He was a horrible fit. I still say that SG was a hell of a good coach. His record elsewhere proves that IMO. You just have a clouded memory. A Dustin Johnson post I made took you away from reality, where I was concerned, regarding AU baseball coaches of all things. Weird.
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I've seen this referenced before but didn't know the story. What was the Dustin Johnson post?
 
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Ive intentionally ignored one person in my entire rivals life, and it was the spam bot on this board. I like reading what everyone has to say, even if I know some want to start stuff.
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wcw3au1 said:
I ignored the drugbot. Wouldn’t ignore a regular poster. I like parts of what most every everybody here says.
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I put demeat on ignore during basketball games and then take him off at the end of the game. Jimmy only trolls about baseball because people are still responding. He probably only believes about half of what he says. I have higher standards for the Greg than to read that crap while enjoying two consecutive years of playoff baseball. I'll take him off ignore as soon as the season is over.
 
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I've seen this referenced before but didn't know the story. What was the Dustin Johnson post?
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It’s a long story but you’re in it so I have to share! I lost a 30 day ban bet to Pop Quiz, or whomever he was before that, now @Slippin Jimmy. I bet that we would win 10 SEC games Butch’s first season. We only won 8 so I was taking my punishment. One Saturday AM, about 5:30, I couldn’t sleep and was looking at the boog board. Probably 10 days into the ban. There was a thread that was a “post a pic of how you see other Bunker members” type thing. I Just completely zoned out, I posted a pic of JOHN Oliver, from Last Week Tonight and said @Harvey Specter because you had just started the AWOB and it was awesome. I thought it was pretty funny. Anyway, Jimmy saw it and jokingly said something and I explained that it was really just an accident yada yada. He laughed and said he really didn’t care if I started back posting. I said I was trying to honor the bet. More for my self than him really because I spend/spent way too much time boogin. Anyway, I also drunk posted one night before the 30 days were up when Tiger was fishing with Osirio(sp?) bait. Just typical jacksss me stuff when he was trolling. I jumped in the boat. Fast forward to Day 30. Sunday of the US Open. Jimmy posted a DJ is going to choke post at some point over the weekend. I bumped it and said DJ dragged his nuts all over some chins today. That didn’t sit well with Jimbo. He called me out for posting and welshing on the bet. He would never admit that it he said he told me he didn’t care if I posted. I was furious and dog cussed him at every opportunity. I’ve sent 300 bucks and 100 bucks to random dudes on here because I pay my bets. I took it personal. He and I were semi tight before. I offered him a ticket to a game once since and he blew it off. I’m certain we’d enjoy drinks and or weed and have a blast if we ever hung out. Also at that time, I had DM’s from him saying “please don’t out me” when he was changing names. I never did. Just thought we were E-boys until I trolled him. Which really blows my mind as good as he is at it.
 
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It’s a long story but you’re in it so I have to share! I lost a 30 day ban bet to Pop Quiz, or whomever he was before that, now @Slippin Jimmy. I bet that we would win 10 SEC games Butch’s first season. We only won 8 so I was taking my punishment. One Saturday AM, about 5:30, I couldn’t sleep and was looking at the boog board. Probably 10 days into the ban. There was a thread that was a “post a pic of how you see other Bunker members” type thing. I Just completely zoned out, I posted a pic of JOHN Oliver, from Last Week Tonight and said @Harvey Specter because you had just started the AWOB and it was awesome. I thought it was pretty funny. Anyway, Jimmy saw it and jokingly said something and I explained that it was really just an accident yada yada. He laughed and said he really didn’t care if I started back posting. I said I was trying to honor the bet. More for my self than him really because I spend/spent way too much time boogin. Anyway, I also drunk posted one night before the 30 days were up when Tiger was fishing with Osirio(sp?) bait. Just typical jacksss me stuff when he was trolling. I jumped in the boat. Fast forward to Day 30. Sunday of the US Open. Jimmy posted a DJ is going to choke post at some point over the weekend. I bumped it and said DJ dragged his nuts all over some chins today. That didn’t sit well with Jimbo. He called me out for posting and welshing on the bet. He would never admit that it he said he told me he didn’t care if I posted. I was furious and dog cussed him at every opportunity. I’ve sent 300 bucks and 100 bucks to random dudes on here because I pay my bets. I took it personal. He and I were semi tight before. I offered him a ticket to a game once since and he blew it off. I’m certain we’d enjoy drinks and or weed and have a blast if we ever hung out. Also at that time, I had DM’s from him saying “please don’t out me” when he was changing names. I never did. Just thought we were E-boys until I trolled him. Which really blows my mind as good as he is at it.
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Yeah the fact that you’re still bringing this up 3 years later is a clear sign that I’m the one who got trolled
 
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Yeah the fact that you’re still bringing this up 3 years later is a clear sign that I’m the one who got trolled
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You did at the time. It rustled you out of your mind because you do that. People don’t do it to you.
 
wcw3au1 said:
It’s a long story but you’re in it so I have to share! I lost a 30 day ban bet to Pop Quiz, or whomever he was before that, now @Slippin Jimmy. I bet that we would win 10 SEC games Butch’s first season. We only won 8 so I was taking my punishment. One Saturday AM, about 5:30, I couldn’t sleep and was looking at the boog board. Probably 10 days into the ban. There was a thread that was a “post a pic of how you see other Bunker members” type thing. I Just completely zoned out, I posted a pic of JOHN Oliver, from Last Week Tonight and said @Harvey Specter because you had just started the AWOB and it was awesome. I thought it was pretty funny. Anyway, Jimmy saw it and jokingly said something and I explained that it was really just an accident yada yada. He laughed and said he really didn’t care if I started back posting. I said I was trying to honor the bet. More for my self than him really because I spend/spent way too much time boogin. Anyway, I also drunk posted one night before the 30 days were up when Tiger was fishing with Osirio(sp?) bait. Just typical jacksss me stuff when he was trolling. I jumped in the boat. Fast forward to Day 30. Sunday of the US Open. Jimmy posted a DJ is going to choke post at some point over the weekend. I bumped it and said DJ dragged his nuts all over some chins today. That didn’t sit well with Jimbo. He called me out for posting and welshing on the bet. He would never admit that it he said he told me he didn’t care if I posted. I was furious and dog cussed him at every opportunity. I’ve sent 300 bucks and 100 bucks to random dudes on here because I pay my bets. I took it personal. He and I were semi tight before. I offered him a ticket to a game once since and he blew it off. I’m certain we’d enjoy drinks and or weed and have a blast if we ever hung out. Also at that time, I had DM’s from him saying “please don’t out me” when he was changing names. I never did. Just thought we were E-boys until I trolled him. Which really blows my mind as good as he is at it.
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Ah, very interesting.

I remember the John Oliver picture now that you mention it. Quite flattering, I’m nowhere near creative enough to be like those guys. I’m a one trick pony
 
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Harvey Specter said:
Ah, very interesting.

I remember the John Oliver picture now that you mention it. Quite flattering, I’m nowhere near creative enough to be like those guys. I’m a one trick pony
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AWOb was a great feature on the board. Very entertaining! I am a big fan of his. I think it’s a really under appreciated show.
 
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Surprised no one posted in here at all during the game. Thompson’s gamble with Burns pays off. He was really good tonight. Auburn beats LSU 11-4. Really complete game from the team tonight. Offense was strong, Burns was in command, had some great defensive plays, and Greenhill slammed the door late.

Mize goes tomorrow in a really big game. Need the offense to show up again.
 
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DufnerFanBoy said:
Surprised no one posted in here at all during the game. Thompson’s gamble with Burns pays off. He was really good tonight. Auburn beats LSU 11-4. Really complete game from the team tonight. Offense was strong, Burns was in command, had some great defensive plays, and Greenhill slammed the door late.

Mize goes tomorrow in a really big game. Need the offense to show up again.
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Came to the thread and saw no one posting. Tuned into the game in the bottom of the 7th and saw Boogs handling things and it all made more sense. Nice win tonight.
 
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I think this is where we stand in regards to SECT seeding.

To be the 5 seed:

Auburn needs to sweep LSU
aTm needs to sweep South Carolina (aTm leads series 1-0)

To guarantee the 6 seed:

Auburn needs to sweep LSU
or
Auburn needs to win 1 more from LSU
Florida and South Carolina need to win one game in their series
Vandy needs to win the series against Kentucky (Vandy leads series 1-0)

If Kentucky wins their series against Vandy and we win the series against LSU, we will likely finish 8th due to the 3-way tiebreaker between us, LSU, and UK. There are other possibilities if aTm and/or Miss St sweep their series, but it gets real deep there.
 
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I think this is where we stand in regards to SECT seeding.

To be the 5 seed:

Auburn needs to sweep LSU
aTm needs to sweep South Carolina (aTm leads series 1-0)

To guarantee the 6 seed:

Auburn needs to sweep LSU
or
Auburn needs to win 1 more from LSU
Florida and South Carolina need to win one game in their series
Vandy needs to win the series against Kentucky (Vandy leads series 1-0)

If Kentucky wins their series against Vandy and we win the series against LSU, we will likely finish 8th due to the 3-way tiebreaker between us, LSU, and UK. There are other possibilities if aTm and/or Miss St sweep their series, but it gets real deep there.
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What is the tie breaker that would put USCe over us if we have the same conference record?

If us, UK, and LSU tie, what is the tie breaker that would put us behind LSU? I would think that in the case of a three way tie, LSU would be last of the three since UK beat auburn, Auburn beat LSU, and LSU beat neither of the two (didn't play UK).
 
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What is the tie breaker that would put USCe over us if we have the same conference record?

If us, UK, and LSU tie, what is the tie breaker that would put us behind LSU? I would think that in the case of a three way tie, LSU would be last of the three since UK beat auburn, Auburn beat LSU, and LSU beat neither of the two (didn't play UK).
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South Carolina went 1-2 against Arkansas (we got swept) and 2-1 against Ole Miss (we got swept). Those would be the next two highest seeded common opponents since we both went 1-2 against Florida.

If Kentucky wins their series, they're 15-15 with us and LSU. Our highest seeded common opponent would be Arkansas. We got swept, Kentucky got swept, LSU went 2-1. So, LSU would be 6, Kentucky would be 7 by virtue of the h2h tiebreaker over Auburn, and AU would be 8. LSU breaks the 3-way tie then you go back to H2H tiebreakers to break the AU-UK tie.
 
DufnerFanBoy said:
South Carolina went 1-2 against Arkansas (we got swept) and 2-1 against Ole Miss (we got swept). Those would be the next two highest seeded common opponents since we both went 1-2 against Florida.

If Kentucky wins their series, they're 15-15 with us and LSU. Our highest seeded common opponent would be Arkansas. We got swept, Kentucky got swept, LSU went 2-1. So, LSU would be 6, Kentucky would be 7 by virtue of the h2h tiebreaker over Auburn, and AU would be 8. LSU breaks the 3-way tie then you go back to H2H tiebreakers to break the AU-UK tie.
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1) That makes sense

2) That would only make sense to me if they all three played head to head and went -1 against the other two or none of the three played each other. Not saying that isn't the case, but just seems odd, when head to head can determine it.
 
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