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I tend to think Bruce puts an emphasis on defense at the 5. We are always going to guys who can light it up at other positions, but a rim protector who is a great rebounder is essential to having a complete team. Obviously it would be great to have a 5 who is the total package, but if he has the choice between a guy who can play great D and rebound or one who is a good offensive prospect, I would assume he takes the former. What would be ideal, imo, would be to sign a grad transfer 5 who could add some experience to the roster in addition to a HS prospect. If we miss on Cliff, that would make taking Soto a lot easier as we would not need to rely on him next year.

Agree here. I’m ok with taking as many of the high profile scorers at other positions as we can get and then go get a big physical grad transfer to bang it out down low. Just seems like if we have a big who can defend and rebound (Stretch) maybe a big who can do something different might be of value. Maybe Im wrongfully selling Stretch short of his offensive skills. Wiley and MAC have been key for us this year doing all three at times and I’m not sold on Stretch being ready to fill either of those roles completely next year. Seems like we would want a big that we could go to down low, or to shot the 3 ball at times if we need it. We were all over the Kessler kid and he seemed more like an offensive big than a D and rebound big.
 
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Agree here. I’m ok with taking as many of the high profile scorers at other positions as we can get and then go get a big physical grad transfer to bang it out down low. Just seems like if we have a big who can defend and rebound (Stretch) maybe a big who can do something different might be of value. Maybe Im wrongfully selling Stretch short of his offensive skills. Wiley and MAC have been key for us this year doing all three at times and I’m not sold on Stretch being ready to fill either of those roles completely next year. Seems like we would want a big that we could go to down low, or to shot the 3 ball at times if we need it. We were all over the Kessler kid and he seemed more like an offensive big than a D and rebound big.
I think the problem with taking Soto and no other big next year would be that he'd be a defensive liability. Even if he could help us on offense, he doesn't appear that he would be ready to bang in the paint on D or be an asset rebounding. Its also TDB if Stretch will be ready to be an asset next year either. Cliff appears to be the real deal and would be ready to be an asset at least defensively on the glass day 1. Hopefully we land him. If not, I'd love to see us get Soto, but I think we'd need a grad transfer for next year.
 
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We absolutely can not afford to miss on Jalen Green at this point. Our bench is so weak and scoring next year is gonna he difficult if we don’t land him and at least one more guy who can get to the rack.
 
We absolutely can not afford to miss on Jalen Green at this point. Our bench is so weak and scoring next year is gonna he difficult if we don’t land him and at least one more guy who can get to the rack.

We do need to sign one more stud, but discounting a bunch of guys that are about to get a year of development with Bruce isn’t the route I would go. Flanagan and Cambridge will be studs before they leave.
 
We do need to sign one more stud, but discounting a bunch of guys that are about to get a year of development with Bruce isn’t the route I would go. Flanagan and Cambridge will be studs before they leave.
Cambridge, probably. If Allen flanigan ever averages more than 6 PPG, I’ll eat my fvcking shoes. That dude would’ve never gotten a look from AU if daddy wasn’t on the sidelines.
 
Shitty take bruh.
It’s really not. Look for offer lists for the kid. There’s nothing out there. Zero offensive game, broken ass shot. Daddy is an alum and coach, that’s the sole reason he got an offer from Auburn. He wouldn’t see significant minutes for any other SEC team. He’s a 30% FT shooter, he’s now shooting <15% from 3 and continues to jack up shots. That is pathetic..
 
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It’s really not. Look for offer lists for the kid. There’s nothing out there. Zero offensive game, broken ass shot. Daddy is an alum and coach, that’s the sole reason he got an offer from Auburn. He wouldn’t see significant minutes for any other SEC team. He’s a 30% FT shooter, he’s now shooting <15% from 3 and continues to jack up shots. That is pathetic..

I like what he offers athletically and he could be a ++ defender but if they don’t spend the entire offseason rebuilding that shot it’s gonna be a wasted scholarship. That shot is BROKE. It’s one thing to be ugly and have mediocre shooting %’s but when you have a completely ugly shot and are shooting percentages that are so bad they are hard to believe it’s time to break the entire thing down and rebuild it. He could shoot granny style from 3 and do no worse.
 
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I like what he offers athletically and he could be a ++ defender but if they don’t spend the entire offseason rebuilding that shot it’s gonna be a wasted scholarship. That shot is BROKE. It’s one thing to be ugly and have mediocre shooting %’s but when you have a completely ugly shot and are shooting percentages that are so bad they are hard to believe it’s time to break the entire thing down and rebuild it. He could shoot granny style from 3 and do no worse.
Yep. I don’t know anything about his dad but the fact that he watched him play basketball for probably 14 years and never told him he may wanna try a different shooting stroke blows my mind.
 
yeah. I too am baffled how Allen comes from coaching royalty in arkansas and has the worst shot I've seen since L'ron Smith. Definitely makes no sense. That said, he will absolutely average over 6 points per game at some point and I will be demanding that lover of pearl actually eat his shoe
Hope I’m wrong but I truly don’t see it. He has the second lowest ceiling after JJ on the roster with that shot. Plus when he does get the ball into the paint 9/10 he lowers his shoulder like a running back hitting the A gap.

I don’t like the idea of writing off a freshman but I don’t know if he’d even be playing D1 basketball If we hadn’t offered.
 
Not going to attack you or even continue to argue about this, but your take is getting exponentially worse.
We don’t have argue, just dispute me with some proof other teams wanted him if you can. I see ONE other offer on every recruiting profile for the kid. USF. He wasn’t on the radar for anyone even being the #1 player in Arkansas.
 
what makes Flanny’s shot even more shocking is he’s a lefty... lefty’s have the smoothest strokes you’ve ever seen

he should have to shoot right handed for 6 months and forget everything he’s ever done lefty and then start over from scratch
 
We don’t have argue, just dispute me with some proof other teams wanted him if you can. I see ONE other offer on every recruiting profile for the kid. USF. He wasn’t on the radar for anyone even being the #1 player in Arkansas.

Well you just said that he wouldn't have been able to play D1 basketball, and there are 347 D1 basketball teams. ESPN had him as a 4 star and I didn't see him listed below a 3 star by anyone. He was the Arkansas 5A Gatorade Player of the Year. So you suggesting that he couldn't play D1 basketball is probably the dumbest thing anyone has said on this board. He committed before his senior season to a team his dad was coaching at, so it seems pretty reasonable that other teams didn't waste time recruiting him after that point, nor is anyone at Rivals or 247 going to waste their time trying to figure out if anyone else did offer which is what it would have taken for you to be able to see it on his recruiting profile. The idea that you or I would be able to tell who's "radar" he was on is an altogether silly concept in itself.

This is from his 247 profile

  • EVALUATED 09/28/2018
    Brian Snow
    NATIONAL BASKETBALL ANALYST
  • PROJECTION
    Power-5 Starter
  • COMPARISON
    Rayjon Tucker
    ARKANSAS-LITTLE ROCK TROJANS
Evaluation


At 6-foot-5 and powerfully built, he is a beast going to the rim. Has tremendous athleticism to finish in traffic. While most players who are sons of coaches are praised for their basketball IQ, for him it is about athleticism and toughness on the wing. He needs to continue to improve his outside jumper, but the athletic tools are there for him to be a tremendous defender and someone who plays a good role on a successful team. Father is an assistant on staff at Auburn.


The only other stuff really out there are tweets covering him in high school, so here you go:

Here is a tweet from him playing at an all american game:


Here is a tweet from when he led his team to a big victory over current signee and also 4 star Chris Moore's team:


Here is a tweet talking about scoring 26+ points in consecutive games and referencing a 49 point game earlier in the season.


So yeah maybe Auburn would have ended up being his best offer, I have no idea and really there isn't any way to tell. But the idea that he wouldn't have been able to play D1 basketball is ridiculously stupid. Also the idea that Bruce is playing him over guys like Jaylin Williams who we know had tons of offers solely because his dad is a coach is asinine. Obviously Bruce is valuing defense over offense, which is clearly Flanigan's current strength.

You said he won't ever average 6 points a game. He is currently averaging 3 and Danjel is averaging 9.2 as a reference point. There is no way he doesn't get above 6 pts per game even if nobody fixes that shot, but I fully expect that shot to look better next year.
 
Well you just said that he wouldn't have been able to play D1 basketball, and there are 347 D1 basketball teams. ESPN had him as a 4 star and I didn't see him listed below a 3 star by anyone. He was the Arkansas 5A Gatorade Player of the Year. So you suggesting that he couldn't play D1 basketball is probably the dumbest thing anyone has said on this board. He committed before his senior season to a team his dad was coaching at, so it seems pretty reasonable that other teams didn't waste time recruiting him after that point, nor is anyone at Rivals or 247 going to waste their time trying to figure out if anyone else did offer which is what it would have taken for you to be able to see it on his recruiting profile. The idea that you or I would be able to tell who's "radar" he was on is an altogether silly concept in itself.

This is from his 247 profile

  • EVALUATED 09/28/2018
    Brian Snow
    NATIONAL BASKETBALL ANALYST
  • PROJECTION
    Power-5 Starter
  • COMPARISON
    Rayjon Tucker
    ARKANSAS-LITTLE ROCK TROJANS
Evaluation


At 6-foot-5 and powerfully built, he is a beast going to the rim. Has tremendous athleticism to finish in traffic. While most players who are sons of coaches are praised for their basketball IQ, for him it is about athleticism and toughness on the wing. He needs to continue to improve his outside jumper, but the athletic tools are there for him to be a tremendous defender and someone who plays a good role on a successful team. Father is an assistant on staff at Auburn.


The only other stuff really out there are tweets covering him in high school, so here you go:

Here is a tweet from him playing at an all american game:


Here is a tweet from when he led his team to a big victory over current signee and also 4 star Chris Moore's team:


Here is a tweet talking about scoring 26+ points in consecutive games and referencing a 49 point game earlier in the season.


So yeah maybe Auburn would have ended up being his best offer, I have no idea and really there isn't any way to tell. But the idea that he wouldn't have been able to play D1 basketball is ridiculously stupid. Also the idea that Bruce is playing him over guys like Jaylin Williams who we know had tons of offers solely because his dad is a coach is asinine. Obviously Bruce is valuing defense over offense, which is clearly Flanigan's current strength.

You said he won't ever average 6 points a game. He is currently averaging 3 and Danjel is averaging 9.2 as a reference point. There is no way he doesn't get above 6 pts per game even if nobody fixes that shot, but I fully expect that shot to look better next year.
That’s a lot more time than anyone on the bunker has ever taken to back up a statement.

I’m sticking with my guns though that he’ll get passed in the rotation if we sign a great class (I expect we will) and because that’s his minutes will lead to less production. If he ever averages over 6 a game throughout his career, like I said I’ll eat some crow and praise him for bettering his game. But I truly believe he’ll be a career 8-9 guy after this season due to us bringing in better offensive talent who can also play D.
 
I’m still good on Al. He was a legit top 300ish croot. Been the top reserve of all the FR from a class that was probably the best in boog hoops history on paper.

The J is obviously broke seemed to look much better on the grainy HS clips I saw. Definitely a plus SEC athlete. Rest of his game is ok I think it’s more of an experience and confidence thing. It obviously needs an overhaul but he probably makes them all day in practice even with that janky motion.

Here’s a clip of him in HS J looked better. There’s a whole thread with highlights. The Twitter persona is a bit of a honk but I have a hard time ripping the kid when none of these other FR can even put themselves in position to get on the court. Still expect all them to be able to contribute next year.

 
That’s a lot more time than anyone on the bunker has ever taken to back up a statement.

I’m sticking with my guns though that he’ll get passed in the rotation if we sign a great class (I expect we will) and because that’s his minutes will lead to less production. If he ever averages over 6 a game throughout his career, like I said I’ll eat some crow and praise him for bettering his game. But I truly believe he’ll be a career 8-9 guy after this season due to us bringing in better offensive talent who can also play D.
Your argument was that he would not be able to play anywhere else in D1 had Auburn not taken him. That's a ridiculous take. Despite his bad shooting, he earned a spot in the playing rotation on a team with 4* recruits that were highly recruited riding the pine. Is it your contention that Bruce is only playing him because of his dad? If that's not your position, then surely you would admit your argument that no other D1 team would have given him a scholly is wrong. There are a couple hundred teams in D1 that love to have any of the 9 guys in our rotation starting for them.
 
Your argument was that he would not be able to play anywhere else in D1 had Auburn not taken him. That's a ridiculous take. Despite his bad shooting, he earned a spot in the playing rotation on a team with 4* recruits that were highly recruited riding the pine. Is it your contention that Bruce is only playing him because of his dad? If that's not your position, then surely you would admit your argument that no other D1 team would have given him a scholly is wrong. There are a couple hundred teams in D1 that love to have any of the 9 guys in our rotation starting for them.
I just couldn’t find anywhere about other schools trying to grab the kid, but they had a good point about him committing soon and with daddy Flanny being on staff other schools probably saw it as a waste of time. But as far as offers go, there is nothing out there. I just think he has an extremely low ceiling and like I said, I don’t ever see him as a scoring threat.
 
What would he make in a single season overseas? Let's just match it.
I think Chuck and other basketball boosters will take care of it and match it. The only pull to play 1 year overseas is to make money for 1 year before the NBA. From a marketability standpoint and helping "his brand", college basketball is the better choice. Surely we will match or close to match whatever he would make in Australia.
 
I'll cry if the Boogs climbed all the way into poll position for the young man and then he up and decides to head over seas. Would be heartbreaking.
Playing overseas is a dumb move for a potential #1 pick, imo. You get little/no exposure there which more than offsets whatever amount you make when negotiating an endorsement deal. Playing in our offense for a year he will be on ESPN constantly and a household name by the end of the season. That is drastically more valuable in terms of endorsement deals than playing a season in Australia or Italy.

As has been discussed, Jalen shot down the pro rumors a month ago. Said he is definitely going to college so let's hope he sticks with that plan.
 
Playing overseas is a dumb move for a potential #1 pick, imo. You get little/no exposure there which more than offsets whatever amount you make when negotiating an endorsement deal. Playing in our offense for a year he will be on ESPN constantly and a household name by the end of the season. That is drastically more valuable in terms of endorsement deals than playing a season in Australia or Italy.

As has been discussed, Jalen shot down the pro rumors a month ago. Said he is definitely going to college so let's hope he sticks with that plan.
totally agree.

Anyway gang, still buzzing about this crystal ball selection. Can't even fathom how much I'd love a "Click" button to fast forward through football season and get right to HYG time if this indeed come to pass.
 


so marcello just CB'd Jalen Green to the boogs too???!!!!!!!!!????? some news must've come out today gang. Hopefully this all becomes official soon. Getting a fat tax return soon so I can just venmo it directly to jalen and sharrife.
 
Gang, not gonna know what to do with myself when the reality sets in when we have a handful of studs representing the Boogs in the NBA. Chuma not there yet bc of the injury. But we could have a real decent number of players in the league in just a few years
 
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