OT: AUBURN BASKETBALL
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I thought he said a lot that gave a pretty good look on what is going on.
Hurts my heart. Youngster has booged so hard throughout this drama. Shame on you Chuck.
Seemed like a post to say McGlynn isn't the person impeding the progress on Wiley or Purifoy. Also sounds like Purifoy is done done and might head overseas to play.
I'm encouraged if this is the case. Although, I don't know why we didn't make it known publicly before the season started that it was an NCAA matter. In any event I'm more than happy to make an ass of myself in support of BRUCE and at the expense of potentially innocent parties.
I'm not too confident about Wiley's return or Bruce's long-term safety. @Wall Street Guy has said a few times that things may not be as they seem and to wait for everything to come out. It would seem that the bigger issue for Wiley is something different from the FBI investigation just based on my piecing together a lot of different things. I could be wrong on that, but it seems there might be an NCAA violation involving Wiley that was found during the FBI investigation that could be more problematic than the FBI probe.
I feel like Wiley will return, or at least Auburn expects him to. At least that is what Stephen Hooks is making it seem like (and he has made this comment post JGT's timeline of Issue B being discovered.
I have completely stopped worrying about Pearl's future. That things has had so many up and downs and aint worth worry about anymore. Either it will happen or it won't.
I'm gonna guess AU was super cautious early on, where Hoke and others thought they could have been more aggressive and started this process 6 weeks ago instead of 3 weeks ago. That group of guys that hates McGlynn and most of the compliance dept isn't wrong about everything, but they get hyperbolic really quick and then just sound like they are obsessed at some point.
I just don't understand what we are doing here. Other stuff? Sweep it under the rug, lawyer up if the NCAA tries to get tough. Simple. I mean sure there is a price to pay for getting caught but why we trying to bring ourselves down over stuff everyone else does and the NCAA damn well knows it.
Not necessarily. If the tables were turned I suspect Bama would be navigating this a lot more effectively than we are. I mean let's be real they had to dole out 6 figs for that Freshman class they just brought it.
Well they just came out firing (him and RR) that the NCAA cleared Wiley and Auburn was just holding them out of spite for Bruce. And the alleged violations were minor and no big deal, etc etc.
It’s like they weren’t stopping to think how ridiculous some of the things they were saying were.
If the NCAA tells you that it’s okay to play someone, and then you don’t, I would have to think you would be fired on the spot.
Yeah this seems like it was them breaking out their own "Jump to Conclusions" mats. Just b/c the FBI told the NCAA to hold off for a bit doesn't mean that your players can just go play despite there being significant evidence they violated NCAA rules.
My issue with how this has all been handled just goes back to the general principle of how the NCAA punishes the players who almost every time are being manipulated, used or at the very least pushed by the adults charged with watching over them. From coaches all the way to mom and dad. I was a stubborn 18 year old, but if my mom or dad were pushing me towards something this substantial I probably feel like I just have to accept it and move on. What are you gonna do, call the NCAA and tell them your parents are trying to cheat? Call the cops and tell them your parents are laundering money they got by pimping you out? No kid is doing that. The kids get screwed for the actions of adults and 90% of the time this stuff doesn't start with the kids. I just hate how the entire setup works, including how probation and sanctions end up hurting the kids left behind after this mess is over. They either have to play for a program with little chance at a future or transfer out and uproot their lives to get a better shot...all because someone else screwed up. I don't know the solution to this problem, I just know this current system sucks.
ftr I never believed that. I don't think we stand up for ourselves against the NCAA as strongly as we should. I think we have a terrible history of throwing our bball program/ players under the bus. I still don't think our admin/ compliance have done all they can for this program and these players.
You could be right there. I don't know much of anything about McGlynn. I just always thought the notion that the NCAA gave the green light and McGlynn held them out anyway was extremely silly
You can assume that, but that isn't fact. I have no clue why people think Auburn would try to sabotage the program. They are not.
Bottomline is we had a coach who screwed the program, and we had the families of two kids who got caught with him (to whatever degree it may have been) thanks to the FBI sting.
I take it rumored 'issue B' or whatever has to do with the support staff? But then it must not involve any other players or they'd have been suspended at some point. I just don't understand what else could be uncovered without some idiot going digging where they shouldn't.
Well we did just that with Cliff and the NCAA penalties then. We STILL self ban ourselves from the AL AAU scene. It's totally absurd.
Bottom line for me is we have a tourney level squad missing half it's coaching staff and 2 of it's best players. Fix it. I do not care about the NCAA they don't do anything to anyone that stands up to them.
I don't think we sabotage the program. That's a bit too far.
I've been around people far too important all the way back to the Cliff Ellis days who continually expressed concern over "hoops getting in trouble which would hurt our football program". I'm not sure where that mentality came from, but you had guys in the Pat Dye circle saying these things and I think when Jay Jacobs becomes the AD a lot of other folks start to wonder if our entire AD takes on that weird, dumb philosophy. I'm pretty certain that the "protect football by throwing hoops under the bus if necessary" thing was at the very least a real part of the mentality for significant power brokers at AU for some time.
I will say, in one of my few defenses of Jacobs, that hiring Bruce Pearl signified a move away from that bad mentality. Cause if that attitude was truly in place within the AD you don't hire Pearl, you find someone else you can spin as a good hire who has zero NCAA issues in their background. When he made that hire I assumed we have moved on or eliminated people who had that mindset that hoops was fine as long as it didn't endanger the cash cow.
Just everything about this is so irritating. First and foremost is Chuck obviously. Followed closely by the FBI sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong and whoever decided it was a good idea to ever hire Chuck. NCAA and their BS is way up there as well.
At the very bottom of the list is BRUCE and these players and they are the ones being hurt the most. It’s just nonsense.
At the very bottom of the list is BRUCE and these players and they are the ones being hurt the most. It’s just nonsense.
I’m with you on the FBI. Of all the things for them to get worked up about, it was this
I get what you are saying here and earlier, my thing is IF Wiley and Purifoy were to have lawyered up to begin with, The NCAA would have folded or at least been forced to make a decision and AU could have removed itself from this equation...doesn't matter now. What's done is done, or i guess still on going.
what this really come down to is Chuck running around with his hand out and then promising he can bring these kids to the table, what a selfish prick.
I just hate our approach. Rich is employed because he’s buddies with the NCAA and is supposed to know how to get us out of these situations with minimal damage.
I’d like to have seen us done all our due diligence well before the season and said here’s what happened. Here’s what we’ve done to remedy things. Our studs will be on the court on this date. Please approve ASAP tia.
Instead it seems more like we just cower to whatever BS strong arm tactic the NCAA may wish to lay upon us. They take everything Chuck said in the FBI thing as fact. Uh no that is not fact go F yourselves.
I’d like to have seen us done all our due diligence well before the season and said here’s what happened. Here’s what we’ve done to remedy things. Our studs will be on the court on this date. Please approve ASAP tia.
Instead it seems more like we just cower to whatever BS strong arm tactic the NCAA may wish to lay upon us. They take everything Chuck said in the FBI thing as fact. Uh no that is not fact go F yourselves.
It has to involve Wiley in some way if the NCAA is asking for clarification in order to further evaluate his request for waiver. My guess is it does involve the support staff in some way but is more of a recruitment issue/extra benefits separate from the FBI investigation that our compliance department dug up while doing their own investigation of Person. Person is probably still at the heart of this issue though.
Bottom line, to me, is OBBERN'S dysfunction has caused this to drag out much, much longer than it should.
It has the look of spending more resources trying to save face than to win Championships.
SO is Staph definitely back on Saturday?
And sounds like Danjel may want to head to Lithuania with the Ball brothers
And sounds like Danjel may want to head to Lithuania with the Ball brothers
I gotta think he'll be back. Poor Danjel. He's been through so much in his boog career.
I've never been a fan of the kid as a player. Supposedly he's a bit of a pvssy according to some students and players. Fits the way he approaches basketball. Good luck to the kid, but this team is better off without him imo.
As a freshman last year he averaged 11.4 ppg and 4.3 rpg......As a freshman. You're crazy if you think we are "better off" without 6'7 SF on the floor with his upside. He played out of position last year. He was trying to guard 4's. The people you talk to are some ignorant mfers who don't know their asshole from their elbow when it comes to basketball.
Yeah he’s too soft to play 4 but that isn’t his natural position anyway. Lordamercy at the thought of having Austin dominating inside with another shooter on the wing giving him space to operate.
He doesn’t play defense and can only shoot from the outside. This team struggles on defense immensely when he and Heron are on the floor together. I’m very knowledgeable about b-ball, and the purifoy comments have more to do with him personally than as a b-ball player.
Looks like every Jew in Auburn got to hang with BRUCE this evening