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A little "chicken or egg" on this.

Is the recruiting itself bad, or is the development of said players and ability to keep them on campus the issue? To me, you are going to lose some players no matter what, but Gus has lost too many and too many that were top shelf of his recruiting classes. A good manager of people keeps that from happening that often IMO. And I think our development sucks more than any other aspect of our program. We've recruited really well at WR to the point we should have one of the elite WR groups in the SEC and it's mediocre at best. Hello unqualified WR coach.

I'd wonder what a better coach would be doing with this same talent. I also worry a coach like Mullen wouldn't get this much talent. The guys out there than we know can do both are hard to get. I'm not sure we can hit one that checks all the boxes, but I'm willing to take a chance on a lot of guys who come up a bit short there. For me, Gus has showed me his ceiling now and it tells me the 13' season was the fluke....the 8-4 or 7-5 type season is the real him. I'm not okay with that. I'd rather gamble on a new guy even if it may not work.
Both, but Gus has definitely missed on key positions.
 
I think he's kinda bumbled his way into a talented roster. I'm not trying to take all the credit from him but I don't see it as in anyway sustainable considering his personality and all the high caliber programs/crooters surrounding us.
If anyone remembers, that 2015 (?) recruiting class was an absolute shambles until Moose and Trob were hired. Gus gets credit I guess for hiring them, but if he’d have whiffed on Moose, then this team would be totally different.

Current leading pass rusher in the sec, AU’s 3 best corners, the starting LG, and the team’s leading WR, Ryan Davis, were all a credit to Champ and Trob.
 
If anyone remembers, that 2015 (?) recruiting class was an absolute shambles until Moose and Trob were hired. Gus gets credit I guess for hiring them, but if he’d have whiffed on Moose, then this team would be totally different.

Current leading pass rusher in the sec, AU’s 3 best corners, the starting LG, and the team’s leading WR, Ryan Davis, were all a credit to Champ and Trob.
Gus hasn't hired a single DC at OBBERN.
 
My fear with Rex Ryan is just that he has already had a reputation for making his schemes too complicated and having too big of a playbook.

You can’t do that stuff in college. You just don’t have the practice time and the players can’t dedicate their whole lives to football yet.

I sound like Gus, but the best dudes keep things pretty damn simple but just demand great execution.
 
My fear with Rex Ryan is just that he has already had a reputation for making his schemes too complicated and having too big of a playbook.

You can’t do that stuff in college. You just don’t have the practice time and the players can’t dedicate their whole lives to football yet.

I sound like Gus, but the best dudes keep things pretty damn simple but just demand know how to coach great execution.
One small change with the above and the only other thing I'd add is they know how to create mismatches.
 
One small change with the above and the only other thing I'd add is they know how to create mismatches.
I agree to an extent but I think that’s so much easier to do in the NFL than it is in college. There’s tape and scouting reports on players in the nfl that exceeds 10 plus years of info. And coaches have time to study all that in the offseason.

So much more player turnover in college bc they’re only there a few years and coaches spend 75% of their time crootin in the offseason and not building scouting reports.

I just think they’re totally different games. Saban knows what he’s doing. Evaluate the best players in HS. Sign em up. Then every player you have is s mismatch
 
I agree to an extent but I think that’s so much easier to do in the NFL than it is in college. There’s tape and scouting reports on players in the nfl that exceeds 10 plus years of info. And coaches have time to study all that in the offseason.

So much more player turnover in college bc they’re only there a few years and coaches spend 75% of their time crootin in the offseason and not building scouting reports.

I just think they’re totally different games. Saban knows what he’s doing. Evaluate the best players in HS. Sign em up. Then every player you have is s mismatch
Head Coaches, and to a large extent even assistant coaches, don't build those scouting reports. In today's game that is what the analysts are for. I do agree that there's less footage but it's not difficult to determine whether you should be putting in your big TE or speedy quick guy based on what lineup is in the game on defense. It's not hard to determine that throwing a screen with two blockers against a defense lining up 4 in front of you isn't a good call. That's the level of mismatch I'm talking about. I'm not saying inside shoulder or outside shoulder against a certain CB because he's only successfully defending 28% of inside shoulder throws in the 30-40 yard range.
 
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Head Coaches, and to a large extent even assistant coaches, don't build those scouting reports. In today's game that is what the analysts are for. I do agree that there's less footage but it's not difficult to determine whether you should be putting in your big TE or speedy quick guy based on what lineup is in the game on defense. It's not hard to determine that throwing a screen with two blockers against a defense lining up 4 in front of you isn't a good call. That's the level of mismatch I'm talking about. I'm not saying inside shoulder or outside shoulder against a certain CB because he's only successfully defending 28% of inside shoulder throws in the 30-40 yard range.
That’s a good point about the analysts. I just think that the talent level in the NFL is mostly so even, that you’re forced to gamevplan around the 1 or 2 mismatches you have. In college, you can out talent someone to the point where it’s kind of irrelevant.
 
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I think boom would be an excellent fit at AU and he'd probably come here, no one is going to win a championship at USCe

I think we would recruit really well here, but this many years of offensive pains makes me wonder if there is something about the way he structures practice that hurts the offense.

I was at a school about 7 years ago that had a really talented defense. We also had a lot of talent on offense, but we could never make it come together. We did a lot of "best on best" to try and make the offense better, but the D kicked their ass every day in practice. I always wondered if that destroyed their confidence or something. There also could have been a lot of other factors and we were also playing in the toughest region in the state at the time.
 
That’s a good point about the analysts. I just think that the talent level in the NFL is mostly so even, that you’re forced to gamevplan around the 1 or 2 mismatches you have. In college, you can out talent someone to the point where it’s kind of irrelevant.
That's definitely true for 75-80% of games for Top 10-15 type teams.
 
I think we would recruit really well here, but this many years of offensive pains makes me wonder if there is something about the way he structures practice that hurts the offense.

I was at a school about 7 years ago that had a really talented defense. We also had a lot of talent on offense, but we could never make it come together. We did a lot of "best on best" to try and make the offense better, but the D kicked their ass every day in practice. I always wondered if that destroyed their confidence or something. There also could have been a lot of other factors and we were also playing in the toughest region in the state at the time.
its a really good question, how do you teach a less talented side of the ball to compete if one side is totally dominant in practice. I've never thought of that as a coaching challenge before.
 
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I think power 5 HC experience isn’t really a requirement or at least shouldn’t be.

I just want an AD that can evaluate leadership talent and knows one when he sees one.

You could tell just from Kirby’s first presser that that dude was a winner and he’d never led a program before. Neither had Jimbo when he took over at FSU.

I just want a competent AD first. Then I’ll worry about the HC.

And ftr, I want Chip Kelly

Me too on Kelly and have wanted for a while now.
 
I really going to be honest and say that I haven't been seriously rooting for anyone. I am like a kid who knows he is too poor to get any Christmas presents so he adopts a pet rock. Until AU shows that it cares about winning, I am not going to get my hopes up. My pet rock is hoping we can Gus and JJ.
 
I heard he actually wanted Boom, but the source is a guy who has supported Jacobs up until this year which makes him the least trustworthy person I know.
What we're his reasons to support JJ for so long?
 
I think Mullen would meet those requirements. Chip Kelly as well. Bob Stoops would be 4/5, not sure if he is still passionate. Franklin but he will never leave. Shaw, but he wouldn't likely leave. Thats just the top of my head.
I take back every nice thing I've ever said of you. You intentionally boxed out the absolute best coach available. Bill Clark. You are dead to me.
 
We’ll probably hire Chad Morris
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What we're his reasons to support JJ for so long?

It's a good friend of mine's dad, and he is your average good ole boy boog. My friend and I would talk about it, but I never talked to him about it because I knew I would say something inappropriate.
 
I take back every nice thing I've ever said of you. You intentionally boxed out the absolute best coach available. Bill Clark. You are dead to me.

I don't dislike Clark. He just doesn't fit my criteria. That doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. I will be interested to see where he does land next.

Unrelated to Clark, I had an interesting thought about Muschamp yesterday. Muschamp is an interesting coach because he has a lot of name value but doesn't necessarily have a great head coaching record to match his name value. Auburn and Muschamp have always been a rumored match made in heaven. I think most that have reservations with Muschamp are primarily because of his record at Florida. Now that Muschamp is at USC he has shown that he can develop as a head coach. I think I could be talked into one more year of Gus, if it meant we had one more year to evaluate Muschamp as a head coach option in 2019. It's not like he can go anywhere else, unless LSU or bama come calling.
 
I don't dislike Clark. He just doesn't fit my criteria. That doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. I will be interested to see where he does land next.

Unrelated to Clark, I had an interesting thought about Muschamp yesterday. Muschamp is an interesting coach because he has a lot of name value but doesn't necessarily have a great head coaching record to match his name value. Auburn and Muschamp have always been a rumored match made in heaven. I think most that have reservations with Muschamp are primarily because of his record at Florida. Now that Muschamp is at USC he has shown that he can develop as a head coach. I think I could be talked into one more year of Gus, if it meant we had one more year to evaluate Muschamp as a head coach option in 2019. It's not like he can go anywhere else, unless LSU or bama come calling.
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