When you don't believe in eternal justice, a suiciding, indiscriminate mass murderer is the worst thing imaginable
OT: I'm upset
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To me, if I didn't believe in God, I would understand it better. Just animals being animals. Why would it matter. Believing in God, I am left trying to understand why. I just trust that I am not supposed to understand and thank God that it doesn't happen more considering the depravity of man. I am not going to expand on my thoughts. They are what they are and know that I am not trying to persuade anyone or offend anyone. Just hope we can somehow learn to live with each other and believe that each person has value.
The guy wasn't an animal though. Animals don't do things for no reason. He was a semi thinking man who decided to kill as many people as possible just to see how many people he could kill.
Do we know that's the only reason? I've seen conflicting reports on his alleged association with Antifa and possibly other organizations. No clue if that's real or a Russian designed, bot fueled, faux news campaign though.
The antifa shit is totally fake, and I hate antifa.
I'll trust your sources, haven't had time to keep up with this much at all. Anything to the 2nd shooter stories?
I don’t know anything about a 2nd shooter, but the only thing linking him to antifa was a fake antifa Facebook page in Melbourne Australia that said they were proud of him or something. People are trying to politicize this in any way possible when it’s just a lunatic that snapped and did something completely and totally insane. I’m all for gun control but I’m way more for promoting mental health issues more
Are we ever going to have common sense gun legislation in this country, or nah?
This photo is circulating:
Pretty sure that photo is legit. Just two windows in the same 2 bedroom suite that the pos switched between.
Bruh what if the redcoats come for us?
Maybe if everybody couldn't legally buy assault weapons? Are the deer wearing bullet proof vests, now? Are they packing heat? Nobody needs an AR15, unless you're fighting ISIS....IN THE MIDDLE EAST. I'd be all for allowing people to rent them and shoot them at ranges, but unless you plan on carrying out a military assault, you don't need a military assault weapon.
What's different between a publicly available semi-auto AR15 and a 30-06? As far as I can tell It's just cosmetic. It's danged near impossible to purchase a fully automatic weapon.
Something I heard this morning from a psychiatrist who specializes on mass shootings: he basically said there are two common types of motivations for mass killers. 1) Cause related (essentially a political or religious motivation) similar to the GOP baseball shooter or terrorists. 2.) Spectacle related (basically looking to be remembered for the incident) James Holmes type
The Dr. went on to say that when you look at these situations you have to examine the victim. What is the relationship of the killer to the victims? How does that influence the cause? In this situation, the victims have no direct relationship to the killer. Other forms of mass killings tend to have a victim/killer relationship like workplace shooters or school shooters or even gang-on-gang violence.
Back to the motivations, there appears to be no overt cause related to this incident. No overt messages about political or religious connections.
And according to the Dr., this doesn't fit the spectacle killing because that is traditionally a younger, more immature person that thinks killing will link to notoriety. This doesn't seem to be the case either.
This was a methodical and ruthless attack. So the idea that something just "snapped" doesn't seem to fit either. The dehumanizing quality is apparent as well. Something is not adding up.
The Dr. went on to say that when you look at these situations you have to examine the victim. What is the relationship of the killer to the victims? How does that influence the cause? In this situation, the victims have no direct relationship to the killer. Other forms of mass killings tend to have a victim/killer relationship like workplace shooters or school shooters or even gang-on-gang violence.
Back to the motivations, there appears to be no overt cause related to this incident. No overt messages about political or religious connections.
And according to the Dr., this doesn't fit the spectacle killing because that is traditionally a younger, more immature person that thinks killing will link to notoriety. This doesn't seem to be the case either.
This was a methodical and ruthless attack. So the idea that something just "snapped" doesn't seem to fit either. The dehumanizing quality is apparent as well. Something is not adding up.
Aren't they like semi automatic then you can buy add ons to basically be full auto? I don't know enough about it but see no reason those weapons or add ons should be legal. Supposedly his whole arsenal was purchased legally. Doesn't seem right.
I don't want to get into it too deep on the GREG though. Very sad situation.
I don't want to get into it too deep on the GREG though. Very sad situation.
Could have been political. They'll find something either a manifesto or groups he was into.
Yeah.. still nothing yet though. His family seems like they don't know much about his affiliations. This woman seems like an interesting source. She randomly goes out of the country at the time he does this? That is suspicious.
I hope for the sake of clarity they find something so the conspiracy theories don't get worse than what is already out there.
Penya, you associate with psychiatrists that specialize in mass killings?
Is he just a college professor or does he have some very interesting clientele?
Is he just a college professor or does he have some very interesting clientele?
Haha no.. I heard him on the news this morning. I will try to find a link to it.
You need to be able to form a well regulated militia bruh
Side note
I actually have been deer hunting with an SKS.
The dude was in his 60's, but that does not mean he was mature. Guy played video poker all day.
Dang.
If this photo is real then the security guard that went up to his room and prompted the dude to off himself saved countless lives. Tons of (what I'm assuming) loaded mags stacked neatly waiting to be used.
where did you find this? I just saw a pic of the shooter that looks like his suicide picture. Not going to post it here. I wasn't sure if it was real or fake. I haven't seen this pic yet though
This posts shows clear ignorance of guns. AR-15s are actually banned from hunting in many states because the caliber of bullet is so small that it's considered an inhumane way to kill. Feel free to fact check that.
An AR-15 is just an easier to fire hand gun. It's one of the top gun products that women buy.
It doesn't shoot any faster, Any bigger, and more powerful than any hand gun. It's just more accurate and easier to use.
Not sure how much this helps your argument. Sounds like you’re saying the ar-15’s slogan should be “so easy a toddler can use it”
It was a direct rebuttal to "OMG BRUH ARE DEERS WEARIMG BULLET PROOF VESTS NOW SINCE AR-15 ARE LIKE THE SAME GUNS MOUNTED ON APACHE HELICOPTERS"
An AR-15 is not a powerful gun. Plain and simple.
Yeah I get your point and it’s pretty dumb. Unless you’re John Henry or Super Mario, you’re not gonna murder 50 plus people in a few minutes with a hammer.
Guns allow any idiot out there the most effective and effortless way to harm mass groups of people
I'd say using common fertilizer for explosives would be the most effective and effortless. Bag of fertilizer, a little diesel fuel and BAM. Should we outlaw fertilizer and diesel fuel? I really don't think I'm the one making the dumb point. I think your vastly overreaching and if you compare the number of guns legally owned to the number of gun related deaths it's an extremely small percentage of legal gun owners committing crimes and killing people.
That’s not effortless. And it requires so much more of an education and planning. Fact is though, any bozo could walk into a Walmart, buy a gun and then go shoot up a school in an hour if he so chose. Big difference.
If you wanna make a bomb, that requires education and real motivation. Lazy assholes are turned into historic mass murderers bc of guns
Just so we are clear. Do you think you can actually walk into a store and walk out with a gun that day?
Because your 2nd sentence is a 100% falsehood
What difference does that make? You can obviously go buy as many guns as you please and stockpile an arsenal to pull off what this lunatic did. It's just ridiculous our gun laws are so archaic relative to the rest of the civilized world all cause of some long outdated document.
I'm all for regulation. People like to compare guns to cars, so here's a comparison: if you own a gun, you should have to have gun owners insurance, and the more deadly the gun, the higher the cost for the insurance. You have to be able to pay liability costs if anyone is ever harmed by that gun, just like a driver does for a car.
Lol, no. A copy of the anarchist cookbook is all that's needed. Also, wrong on how gun purchases work (outside of some exemptions that need to be examined).
Yet all you have to do to make the semi into a fully automatic is to buy this bump stock the guy had on his. That's the problem with these assault rifles. They are basically one little simple thing, either purchased, or found on YouTube, away from being fully automatic. If people want a pistol, or a rifle for hunting, I'm all for it. But if you think you need some semi automatic, military style assault rifle, you're probably on the fringe of the population who could carry something like this out, already.
