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I don’t like the hire.

He seems intelligent based off the schools and degrees. But he will be learning on the job. If he was white he doesn’t get hired. His big positive is he is black and an outsider. But as far as experience goes, Turner Gill was more qualified to be our HC than Greene is to be our AD.

He may be great, one day. But he isn’t great yet. So he is like Gus. Why are we always learning on the job? That woman from the NFL seems to me would have been a ballsy hire that meets the bunker’s need to be progressive.

So my main issue is “he is better than what we had” (no shit, who wouldn’t be) and he is just so inexperienced.

So it is a cute headline. “Auburn hires the 3rd ever Black Athletic Director”. Okay. Great! But I wish there was more substance that. It is like hiring a guy that built 2 small spec homes ever to build a 40,000 sq foot custom mansion over looking the Pacific Coast for Tim Cook. Could he do it? Sure, but would be very inefficient and would make a lot of mistakes and would take a very long time. Would it be better to have a guy that has taken on a project anywhere in the sphere of that? Yes.
Why did Gene or Gus get the job if they weren't black?
 
I'm surprised that people are so passionate and opinionated about an athletic director hire.
 
I'm surprised that people are so passionate and opinionated about an athletic director hire.

I am fine with is just be honest about it. He has no experience and it is a nice headline to show we aren’t racist I guess. There is nothing in his resume that says he will be a great AD.
 
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They had some experience

The guy we are forcing out hired him.
My point is that Auburn almost always hires inexperienced people. You’re now just claiming it’s to try to be progressive because he’s black.

Was hiring T-Will and Kodi just trying to be progressive? What about Barbee?
 
My point is that Auburn almost always hires inexperienced people. You’re now just claiming it’s to try to be progressive because he’s black.

Was hiring T-Will and Kodi just trying to be progressive? What about Barbee?

That was for recruiting because most of our players are black and twill learned to be a coach at AU so he was groomed. Kodi was a jaba hire and we all like him and he was supposed to be a cruiter. We aren’t hiring a coach. I am fine with a black AD. Just get me one with experience. He may be great but he will be learning on the job. We all know this.
 
I don’t like the hire.

He seems intelligent based off the schools and degrees. But he will be learning on the job. If he was white he doesn’t get hired. His big positive is he is black and an outsider. But as far as experience goes, Turner Gill was more qualified to be our HC than Greene is to be our AD.

He may be great, one day. But he isn’t great yet. So he is like Gus. Why are we always learning on the job? That woman from the NFL seems to me would have been a ballsy hire that meets the bunker’s need to be progressive.

So my main issue is “he is better than what we had” (no shit, who wouldn’t be) and he is just so inexperienced.

So it is a cute headline. “Auburn hires the 3rd ever Black Athletic Director”. Okay. Great! But I wish there was more substance that. It is like hiring a guy that built 2 small spec homes ever to build a 40,000 sq foot custom mansion over looking the Pacific Coast for Tim Cook. Could he do it? Sure, but would be very inefficient and would make a lot of mistakes and would take a very long time. Would it be better to have a guy that has taken on a project anywhere in the sphere of that? Yes.
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It’s not that hard a gig. Raise some dough build some facilities. Don’t allow coaches to molest players. Don’t be a dumbass redneck.

I think it’s kinda cool to see Auburn nationally lauded for doing something progressive. I suspect it will be loved by the athletes of our 2 major sports. Hell 3 if you want to count baseball. Dude’s twitter game is rock solid too.
 
It’s not that hard a gig. Raise some dough build some facilities. Don’t allow coaches to molest players. Don’t be a dumbass redneck.

I think it’s kinda cool to see Auburn nationally lauded for doing something progressive. I suspect it will be loved by the athletes of our 2 major sports. Hell 3 if you want to count baseball. Dude’s twitter game is rock solid too.
Something tells me he breathes through his nose, so huge upgrade if true.
 
Something tells me he breathes through his nose, so huge upgrade if true.
Plus his educational and professional tree actually forks, unlike Jay Jacobs. Also unlike JJ, he has previous experience as an AD and is arguably qualified for the job of AU AD. Almost guaranteed upgrade and if he doesn't work out it is likely more on Auburn than on him.
 
How attractive of a job do some people actual think this Auburn AD position is RIGHT NOW? I know Boog athletics generates a lot of cash and the AD is highly compensated, but Auburn bball just got splattered all over the news for an FBI investigation. The softball team is still (i'm guessing) dealing with title 9 stuff and I don't know if the fall out from that is over. Plus if any potential candidates actually did their homework about the gig, then they'd realize that the your first tasks on the job will be overseeing and planning some MAJOR facility upgrades.

I have no idea if this dude was the first choice or not, but I can see how it would have been very difficult to hire away a more experienced candidate already at a big institution.
 
Everything you guys are discussing is based of potential because all of you know he has never made a big decision yet as an AD. An MBA from Indiana is impressive. His positives should be listed as “he has a sound business mind and was groomed under some successful AD’s”. Emphasizing a faux progressive move just to be progressive is so disingenuous.
 
Everything you guys are discussing is based of potential because all of you know he has never made a big decision yet as an AD. An MBA from Indiana is impressive. His positives should be listed as “he has a sound business mind and was groomed under some successful AD’s”. Emphasizing a faux progressive move just to be progressive is so disingenuous.
sounds like he generated enough excitement and demonstrated enough charisma to raise enough cash for big facility upgrades for a school that isn't very passionate about athletics. I'd say that's impressive. And getting those facilities is a 'big decision' as an AD for a school like that
 
Everything you guys are discussing is based of potential because all of you know he has never made a big decision yet as an AD. An MBA from Indiana is impressive. His positives should be listed as “he has a sound business mind and was groomed under some successful AD’s”. Emphasizing a faux progressive move just to be progressive is so disingenuous.
Feel free to name the successful ADs actually interested in the job so we will habe some point of comparison.

Otherwise please stop with the faux outrage and couched racism. KTHXBYE
 
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sounds like he generated enough excitement and demonstrated enough charisma to raise enough cash for big facility upgrades for a school that isn't very passionate about athletics. I'd say that's impressive. And getting those facilities is a 'big decision' as an AD for a school like that

$18,000,000 is pretty small. AU arena was about 100,000,000 5 or 6 years ago when we built it. Try again.
 
Feel free to name the successful ADs actually interested in the job so we will habe some point of comparison.

Otherwise please stop with the faux outrage and couched racism. KTHXBYE

So you admit he has virtually zero experience. At least you are honest.
 
$18,000,000 is pretty small. AU arena was about 100,000,000 5 or 6 years ago when we built it. Try again.
How does it compare to previous capital campaigns at Buffalo? What is the Buffalo AD revenue compared to OBBERN? KYHXBYE.
 
Yeah but we have an image problem. It’s largely a figurehead position. A lot of people think Boog U is run by a bunch of dumb hicks and they aren’t really wrong.

He’s supposedly an excellent fund raiser which we’ll need to build all those new facilities. Maybe he’s the kinda guy that can get in Tim Cooks pocket better than JJ.

Hiring coaches isn’t really that hard. Everyone knows who the top candidates are. It’s like hey we’re Boog U would you like a big raise?
 
Of course I am. Hiding racism behind words like progressive isn't in my wheelhouse.

Claiming racism means you have zero argument so you just scream racism. So sad. I used the word progressive because that is what everyone seems happy about on the Bunker. That the hire is “progressive”.

Just seems like an odd hire to me.
 
Yeah but we have an image problem. It’s largely a figurehead position. A lot of people think Boog U is run by a bunch of dumb hicks and they aren’t really wrong.

He’s supposedly an excellent fund raiser which we’ll need to build all those new facilities. Maybe he’s the kinda guy that can get in Tim Cooks pocket better than JJ.

Hiring coaches isn’t really that hard. Everyone knows who the top candidates are. It’s like hey we’re Boog U would you like a big raise?
Yeah I can't imagine this dude having the same self righteous creed mentality JJ possessed that could potentially be off putting to plenty of people.
 
Claiming racism means you have zero argument so you just scream racism. So sad. I used the word progressive because that is what everyone seems happy about on the Bunker. That the hire is “progressive”.

Just seems like an odd hire to me.
Yeah but it’s a legitimate positive for this position. It’s good for our brand. It’s not just about being black. He’s young. He’s an outsider. Yes he lacks experience but he checks a lot of boxes right off the bat.
 
Yeah but it’s a legitimate positive for this position. It’s good for our brand. It’s not just about being black. He’s young. He’s an outsider. Yes he lacks experience but he checks a lot of boxes right off the bat.

So let’s be honest. We hired him for the headline and to dispel an image. I am fine with it just admit it. He didn’t get this job based off merits. But because he IS black which is why I said no way in hell we hire a 2 year WHITE AD Fromm Buffalo.

There are some successful Black AD’s around the country. Pretty much all of them had more AD experience than Greene. Virginia hired a female black AD a few months back.
 
The stories of him doing prayer circles at staff meetings is so cringy. All the stories of coaches not getting along with him. This dude seems pretty likeable and professional.
yeah. Some of it has been described as 'tent revival' sessions. That's just so fuggin unprofessional to do as a fuggin state employee. Can you imagine being jewish or (gasp) not even religious at all and being pressured into participating in that shit? I'm all for freedom of religion but do it on your own time and absolutely don't try to impose it on your employees. Any other place besides Boog U, and that type of shit wouldn't be tolerated.
 
So let’s be honest. We hired him for the headline and to dispel an image. I am fine with it just admit it. He didn’t get this job based off merits. But because he IS black which is why I said no way in hell we hire a 2 year WHITE AD Fromm Buffalo.

There are some successful Black AD’s around the country. Pretty much all of them had more AD experience than Greene. Virginia hired a female black AD a few months back.
Nah I disagree. He’s not just some random black dude off the street. He’s got experience as an AD. His mentor is a stud at UCF. He’s young, energetic and a great fundraiser. Great interpersonal skills. I mean that’s the word anyway. He checks more boxes than most of the candidates that were brought up.

Sure he’s relatively inexperienced but hiring coaches isn’t that hard and it’s not something we’re in need of for the foreseeable future anyway.
 
Nah I disagree. He’s not just some random black dude off the street. He’s got experience as an AD. His mentor is a stud at UCF. He’s young, energetic and a great fundraiser. Great interpersonal skills. I mean that’s the word anyway. He checks more boxes than most of the candidates that were brought up.

Sure he’s relatively inexperienced but hiring coaches isn’t that hard and it’s not something we’re in need of for the foreseeable future anyway.

All things being equal, being inexperienced and Black was better than being inexperienced and white. I think he has potential to be great. But right now, today, he is not great. Just like Gus. It saddens me we have come to this. I accept where we are and I will support Mr. Greene.
 
All things being equal, being inexperienced and Black was better than being inexperienced and white. I think he has potential to be great. But right now, today, he is not great. Just like Gus. It saddens me we have come to this. I accept where we are and I will support Mr. Greene.
If all else is equal, then why not him? Which more qualified white candidate did we go after that we pushed away to hire Greene? I assume you know the candidates we turned down in order to make the progressive hire.

I’m usually on board with being progressive for progressive’ sake is dumb because it should be on merit. But because two people on the Bunker used the word progressive, you act like Auburn just made a knee jerk hire to win the press for a day.
 
Assuming you know something about this, what was the process here?

I’m guessing we got told No a few times by experience and hired for upside.
If you mean that we offered the job to others and got turned down a few times, that’s not the case.

But he will be learning on the job. If he was white he doesn’t get hired. His big positive is he is black and an outsider. But as far as experience goes, Turner Gill was more qualified to be our HC than Greene is to be our AD.
I will disagree with you here. There were plenty of other candidates who had more experience and/or are black and wanted this job. The lack of significant AD experience on AG’s resume wasn’t lost on anyone, and it certainly made for a steep hill to climb during the process. AG “won” despite his resume. And you’re sorely mistaken if you believe Leath is interested in hiring anyone because of the color of his / her skin. I believe Leath exercised extensive diligence and vetting during the process — he is well connected to the AD community through his past experience on the NCAA board. As I’ve mentioned here and others have mentioned elsewhere, AG has earned the respect and admiration of prominent ADs throughout the NCAA. I believe that in soliciting references and recommendations for AG, Leath recognized the key question wasn’t whether or not he should take a chance by hiring AG, it was whether or not he could afford not to hire him.

Does this mean AG will be a great AD at AU? Nope. But I think your assessment of the hire is unfair and ill-conceived. That’s just the opinion of this old, Yankee white dude.
 
If all else is equal, then why not him? Which more qualified white candidate did we go after that we pushed away to hire Greene? I assume you know the candidates we turned down in order to make the progressive hire.

I’m usually on board with being progressive for progressive’ sake is dumb because it should be on merit. But because two people on the Bunker used the word progressive, you act like Auburn just made a knee jerk hire to win the press for a day.

I saw that word way too much today and it rustled me. I admit it. I hated seeing it for the sake of seeing it.
 
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If you mean that we offered the job to others and got turned down a few times, that’s not the case.


I will disagree with you here. There were plenty of other candidates who had more experience and/or are black and wanted this job. The lack of significant AD experience on AG’s resume wasn’t lost on anyone, and it certainly made for a steep hill to climb during the process. AG “won” despite his resume. And you’re sorely mistaken if you believe Leath is interested in hiring anyone because of the color of his / her skin. I believe Leath exercised extensive diligence and vetting during the process — he is well connected to the AD community through his past experience on the NCAA board. As I’ve mentioned here and others have mentioned elsewhere, AG has earned the respect and admiration of prominent ADs throughout the NCAA. I believe that in soliciting references and recommendations for AG, Leath recognized the key question wasn’t whether or not he should take a chance by hiring AG, it was whether or not he could afford not to hire him.

Does this mean AG will be a great AD at AU? Nope. But I think your assessment of the hire is unfair and ill-conceived. That’s just the opinion of this old, Yankee white dude.

Wow! Sounds like we found a diamond in the ruff. He was such a badass he was at Buffalo and the only school that took a chance on him was Auburn. I am glad we got the inside info to know about a guy the rest of big time college failed to move on. I hope he does a great job!
 
Wow! Sounds like we found a diamond in the ruff. He was such a badass he was at Buffalo and the only school that took a chance on him was Auburn. I am glad we got the inside info to know about a guy the rest of big time college failed to move on. I hope he does a great job!
I knew you’d come around.
 
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I just heard this guy was a former minor league baseball player. Probably has a canon for an arm. Probably can launch doodoo paper all the way from his office to Toomer’s corner
 
There are some successful Black AD’s around the country. Pretty much all of them had more AD experience than Greene. Virginia hired a female black AD a few months back.

A female, black AD who had never been an AD before. She was Senior Associate AD at UGA. I think she will do a great job and I think she could've done a great job at AUBURN too, but your requirement of "AD Experience" would not have worked in her case.
 
Gonna be hard to judge the new bull for awhile whoever it is. The four major sports kind of have their coaches on lock down for awhile. That’s assuming nothing happens to Bruce.

Just raise some cash for some facilities and don’t have the audacity to say that you only answer to God. It’s a pretty easy gig
Damn, bruh. You knew it all along, didn't you?
 
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