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*** Boogs v NC State ***

The announcers said that AU didn’t have time to do a shoot around when they arrived. So they basically just had a pregame warmup and that was it. I think Bryce needs that kind of habit and comfort of knocking down shots during a casual shoot around in a different gym
 
The announcers said that AU didn’t have time to do a shoot around when they arrived. So they basically just had a pregame warmup and that was it. I think Bryce needs that kind of habit and comfort of knocking down shots during a casual shoot around in a different gym
how the hell do they not have time for a shoot around? sounds like some BS home cook'n ; )
 
The announcers said that AU didn’t have time to do a shoot around when they arrived. So they basically just had a pregame warmup and that was it. I think Bryce needs that kind of habit and comfort of knocking down shots during a casual shoot around in a different gym

Bryce should only be allowed to shoot in Opelika HS gym to practice since different colors mess him up
 
Well then I volunteer to go to every practice and call him a bum while he’s shooting and make fearful noises since he’s a vagina on the road
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Bryce should only be allowed to shoot in Opelika HS gym to practice since different colors mess him up
If you can’t shoot on the road it’s because you are a gigantic pussy.

If you can shoot 30-40% in your gym and you shoot less than 10% on the road you are a gigantic gaping pussy

Didn’t get to shoot around? Give me a GD break. Grow TF up and untuck your junk and play some GD basketball.

I hope we can grown some nuts gang or it will be a long season away from The Clam

Love this team and the talent is there to go deep. I am so discouraged by our lack of moxy and maturity on the road. I’m just afraid we are trending to not fulfill the potential on this team

Hoping Bruce gets in an ass or 10 and rights the ship
Always had you figured as more of a Rice ePersona. Maybe I was thinking of someone else or you have righted your course.
 
Wonder if he puts too much pressure on himself in these bigger games. It's one thing to disappear it's another for it to look like the stage is just too big. His game is fairly balanced but scouts are going to keep seeing him fade against athletic teams. Hope the light comes on soon.

He cannot let his shooting woes effect his defense. Last night he was pouting and hanging his head like a kid. Him being a cry baby isn't helping the team. He was garbage last night in every aspect of the game.
 
He cannot let his shooting woes effect his defense. Last night he was pouting and hanging his head like a kid. Him being a cry baby isn't helping the team. He was garbage last night in every aspect of the game.

I can’t get over how bad he was. And honestly he was bad vs UAB but it wasn’t nearly like last night. I don’t know how many turnovers he was credited with but it felt like 8 and none of them were really forced.

He’s getting very frustrated with how teams have focused on taking him out of the game. I thought he tried to do the right thing and get to the rim some but when he kept fumbling basic passes it just went to hell. We desperately need him to get a couple of solid games under his belt now
 
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I can’t get over how bad he was. And honestly he was bad vs UAB but it wasn’t nearly like last night. I don’t know how many turnovers he was credited with but it felt like 8 and none of them were really forced.

He’s getting very frustrated with how teams have focused on taking him out of the game. I thought he tried to do the right thing and get to the rim some but when he kept fumbling basic passes it just went to hell. We desperately need him to get a couple of solid games under his belt now

They are running him off the 3pt line and he is trying to counter by taking guys off the dribble. He's a below average ball handler against good competition. If they are going to run him off the 3pt line, then he should stay 30ft from the basket on the wing and we should throw it in the post on his side. That would give our offensive post player a nice advantage and space to work with. If you don't throw it in the post, then you spread him out on the wing or in the corner while you pick and roll. The screener rolls away from Bryce and the ball handler drives to his side. If his defender doesn't help, then you have one on one drive. If his defender drops, then there is a kick out for him. Pearl cannot have him with the ball in his hands trying to create. Getting 3 turnovers to one layup attempt is not worth it.
 
We held them to 78 and known defensive power Wisconsin held them to 75 and I believe we gave them almost 3 times as many turnovers than the Badgers did. You give up 25 turnovers to a really explosive offensive team on the road and you are probably giving up 90+. There were a couple of bad stretches of defensive play, but on the whole I thought it was good.

Its tempting to make big sweeping judgements about the offense. Really seems like most of the issue is just bad shooting. It's not all of it because we're making more bad decisions than I'd like to see with so many experienced players, but that feels like it's 20% of the problem and "missing shots we normally make" is almost all of the rest. I don't even feel like we're taking as many bad, long, contested 3's this season as we did during stretches last season.
Agreed. Last night was frustrating, but it wasn't nearly as bad as our OOC loss to a bad Temple team last year.

Our defense is legit and it travels. With Austin rounding into form, hopefully Bruce will realize we do not need to live and die by the 3 anymore on the road. Run the offense through the paint and let the 3 ball be our secondary option on the road. Very few teams on our schedule can beat us if we commit to that for the rest of the season.
 
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They are running him off the 3pt line and he is trying to counter by taking guys off the dribble. He's a below average ball handler against good competition. If they are going to run him off the 3pt line, then he should stay 30ft from the basket on the wing and we should throw it in the post on his side. That would give our offensive post player a nice advantage and space to work with. If you don't throw it in the post, then you spread him out on the wing or in the corner while you pick and roll. The screener rolls away from Bryce and the ball handler drives to his side. If his defender doesn't help, then you have one on one drive. If his defender drops, then there is a kick out for him. Pearl cannot have him with the ball in his hands trying to create. Getting 3 turnovers to one layup attempt is not worth it.

Saw Tate say teams are basically face guarding him now, and I know I've seen a bit of that but I wasn't aware they are doing that pretty much constantly. We can't let them get away with that. Gotta punish it in the ways you mentioned. They'll eventually get off it and treat him like a normal guard and then he can heat up again. Till then, be a decoy and play great defense.
 
At the end of the day Bryce is a roll player. He’s an important roll player that can score a lot of points, but when he tries to force himself to be more than that he will struggle.
 
Well, that was less than ideal. The starters combined for 28 points and 3-19 shooting from 3. Only Harper scored in double figures. Harper, Brown, and Samir combined for 13 turnovers. Brown had 6! Mac's stat line is atrocious. His impact on games hasn't been nearly the same so far this year as it was last year. Dunbar, Wiley, and McCormick were great off the bench. Any quality at all from our starters and we probably win this game.

Not sure what's up with Bryce. He comes off of a career-high 34 point game against Dayton and follows that up with two of his worst performances at Auburn. I thought it last week, and @Gran_Polla said it earlier in this game thread. He looks exhausted. Looked that way at the start of the UAB game. Looked that way all night last night. Not making excuses for him because he has to play better, but something just seems off. And it feels like something more off-court than his actual game. He's not shown up in the last two games with anything close to the same fire and intensity and demeanor that he had the first 9 games of the season.

And offensively, something has to give. Our offensive sets in the halfcourt against extended defensive pressure are still terrible. They've been terrible for a while now under Bruce. I don't know if that's an area he needs to self-evaluate, but extended guard pressure disrupts us significantly. It takes us forever to get into a play and run it, and frankly, I'm not sure we run all that many plays or sets. We need better off-ball action and movement to help facilitate the ball moving around and in and out. Don't know if that's a Bruce thing or a players not running what's called thing. But it needs to be addressed immediately. Just watching other teams against us and the designed plays they run, we just don't run much stuff like that or we have the ability and just don't call it.

We shot 67% inside the perimeter last night. Yet, when we have guys like Wiley or Horace or Chuma with good inside position, we don't work the ball inside as much as we should. On the play where Bryce dribbles out the shot clock, he had a couple of chances to get the ball inside and just stared at the guy while dribbling. I don't know if there's hesitation from the guards because the ball tends to stick inside when it's passed down low (our bigs don't do a great job of kicking back out) or if they're worried about turnovers or what, but we need to work the ball inside more.

Last night is ultimately a good thing for this team IMO. We need to get exposed, to reveal our flaws, and figure out ways to work on them and improve them. And we need to be working towards peaking at the beginning of March. So, in that sense, I'm not worried about that loss. The poor shooting away from the Clam, the lack of offensive success and planning against pressure defenses like NC State, and the lack of awareness of our individual games and how to check them are all concerns for me. All of those can be addressed and managed, but it's going to take some examination from coaches and players to figure out what we're best at doing and trying to avoid those pitfalls that get us into situations like these last two games.

TL/DR: Starters doo doo; bench ballin'. Bryce strugglin'. Bruce needs new OC. We aight, but we got plenty of work to do.
 
I can’t get over how bad he was. And honestly he was bad vs UAB but it wasn’t nearly like last night. I don’t know how many turnovers he was credited with but it felt like 8 and none of them were really forced.

He’s getting very frustrated with how teams have focused on taking him out of the game. I thought he tried to do the right thing and get to the rim some but when he kept fumbling basic passes it just went to hell. We desperately need him to get a couple of solid games under his belt now

I was so mad at his play I actually threw out a GFY at the tv. I’ve never been so mad over a basketball game. Not even the Clemson game in the tourney. Such a let down to play that way. A loss to a top 25 team on the road is ok, but to look like that on national tv was embarrassing. Hope they get their edge back real quick or they will get run out the gym on Sat.

Now, I will say the Duke vs. TT game looks exactly like our game. Record turnovers by both teams and ice cold shooting from
Outside. Maybe last night was just a game of two great defenses. I’m going to walk away and turn the page from last night and hope it was an anomaly. Ok let’s freaking Boog out and roll into SEC play and go get what’s ours.
 
Weird seeing people say what I said about Bryce last year... I saw this same shit last year but you guys told me I was dumb and was an SEC POY candidate. Harper isn’t nearly as bad as Bryce currently but he still has many WTF moments.

McCormick is the player in he rise big time. Loved him and Harper in there together. So much speed.
 
Weird seeing people say what I said about Bryce last year... I saw this same shit last year but you guys told me I was dumb and was an SEC POY candidate. Harper isn’t nearly as bad as Bryce currently but he still has many WTF moments.

McCormick is the player in he rise big time. Loved him and Harper in there together. So much speed.

McCormick played great Wednesday night, but let's hold up on anointing him anything great. He's had some real clunkers in this early season. He's improving for sure, but I want to see it more consistently from him than just this one game.

Bryce and Jared are still the most important players on this team, but it's not just from an offensive standpoint. We need them engaged on both ends as well as being the leaders of this group. Bryce has more struggles in that area when his shot isn't falling than Harper ever has, but I think that's more of a product of Bryce not wanting to let his teammates down and putting too much pressure on himself. No matter how good J'Von or Malik or Samir or anyone else on this roster play, IMO this team will go as far as Jared and Bryce take it.
 
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McCormick played great Wednesday night, but let's hold up on anointing him anything great. He's had some real clunkers in this early season. He's improving for sure, but I want to see it more consistently from him than just this one game.

Bryce and Jared are still the most important players on this team, but it's not just from an offensive standpoint. We need them engaged on both ends as well as being the leaders of this group. Bryce has more struggles in that area when his shot isn't falling than Harper ever has, but I think that's more of a product of Bryce not wanting to let his teammates down and putting too much pressure on himself. No matter how good J'Von or Malik or Samir or anyone else on this roster play, IMO this team will go as far as Jared and Bryce take it.
Agreed. I would like to see Bruce focus tomorrow on getting Bryce some open looks either through screens or kick outs. When you are cold, taking a pass at the top of the key and trying to create a shot is the worst way to break out of a shooting slump.

The larger issue at play, imo, is that we need an identity to our offense on the road. Running and scoring in transition is great if we can make that happen, but teams know slowing us down is the way to beat us. To counter that, the obvious answer is to commit to the post game. NC State could not stop Wiley and yet we stopped feeding him the ball. Hopefully Bruce watches the film and realizes the answer is to commit to Wiley (and Chuma for that matter) in the paint and let them carry us on the road. The ancillary benefit to that strategy will be wide open looks on the perimeter as teams crash the paint.
 
McCormick played well as a scorer, I didn’t think he did much running the offense. Glad to see the potential, but he looks a long way off to me.
 
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